True, Harvey put a good list together and i reckon made the most of his playing stock. We could do worse than get harves to the tigers. Not sure what his role would be though. Having two 'young' coaches at one club would make for a strange set up. So for this reason I don't think it would be a suitable fit. If we want a 'Director of Coaching" it's not harvey. But maybe in this day and age it would be interesting if our club set a precedent for a new coaching structure and did something a little left field. Dunno, just thinking out loud.
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Mark Harvey Sacked- Official
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9thPlaceTiger said:
No thanks! I recall Harvey indicating the condition he would place on taking on our coaching job prior to appointing Frawley was for Bomber Thompson to join him as assistant. He didn't have the confidence in his own ability to assume control.
Furthermore, he played his whole career under Sheedy. Became an assistant at Essendon, yep, under a senile Sheedy. He still sounds like he's stuck in the '80s, like Sheedy. Things have changed phenominaly since then. Wouldn't have him within a suburb of our club. I hope he joins the Boys Club at Essendon, or better still re-joins the old senile pr!ck at GWS.
tiger12 said:
This year he's been hamstrung by injuries, they were on their way to possible top 4 before losing their players. When he first took over he pulled the wrong rein and tried to top up, once that didn't work and they went with youth its been its been a different story, he's clearly been coaching very well the last 3 years as the side developed.
IanG said:
Then why did the Freo board sack him? He had a team over the last 5 years that should've been playing regular finals football, yet managed only 1 appearance. Injuries are a fact of football life, but if you believe the stories coming out he was overruling the medico's to get the players on the ground.
I couldn't give a rats backside for any other team in this comp apart from mine, but I suggest the Freo board sacked him because they realised he is a dud. Listening to some of his press conferences during the year he tried to fox like Sheedy used to 25 years ago, wihtout the conviction. And I wouldn't want him within a bulls roar of our club.
An interesting claim from the recent review is that Harvey's communication is unclear. What he says to players was confusing.
I must say I never felt convinced in anything he said at his pressers, but that's only one tiny part. he seems to lack a certain conviction, though I think that may have improved slightly into 2011.
No person, especially an AFL is a static beast. They all evolve - Harv's is no different .
I must say I never felt convinced in anything he said at his pressers, but that's only one tiny part. he seems to lack a certain conviction, though I think that may have improved slightly into 2011.
No person, especially an AFL is a static beast. They all evolve - Harv's is no different .
Phar Ace said:
People forget that for 10 years he was an assistant to Sheedy and never got any of the jobs he went for. He comes across as passionate but not bright. He took the Freo assistant job in frustration and got lucky when Connolly quite and Harvey became one of those caretakers who kept the job. If he hadn't been in the right place at the right time he still would be an assistant somewhere like Brian Royal.
tiger12 said:
Cause they saw an opportunity to upgrade. The fact that they obviously wanted to keep Harvey if they couldn't get someone of Lyon's perceived caliber says something. If he was a dud they would have sacked him outright and gone on a recruiting process like the other clubs.
IanG said:
There was a quote from the Freo boss, something like "if you could have Harvey or Lyon coaching your team which would you choose"? At some point it dawned on him he actually did have that choice, it wasn't a hypothetical.
SkillzThatKillz said:
To be fair though, that doesn't by defination rate Harvey as bad and Lyon good. Just Lyon better than Harvey in the eyes of few at Freo - as always, time will give us the answer.
Phar Ace said:
Correct. And what's Ross Lyon done to justify his perceived lofty status? Inherited a ready made team. Sure got them to a GF. But I'll play devils advocate and say, a) lucky to have won the 2009 prelim against WB; b) should have learnt from the 2009 loss and made sure 2010 was a victory (even had 2 goes at it). I think the Saints would've won a flag with Grant Thomas as coach.
Lyon has indicated he wants to be a career coach. He better succeed at Freo because no-one will go near him if he fails. A lot of Terry Wallace in what he did.
The more I have thought about it the more I actually respect Lyon for his decision. Took 7 months for the Aints to give him a resonable offer. The performance by the Aints and the off field stuff this years was more so related to the clubs culture and the players attitudes however Ross was the one who was going to get it in the neck. Good on him for jumping ship. The way Harvey was treated...well thats another story.
I have no axe to gring regarding Lyon, he is merely a product of the AFL system & culture.
I do bear some concer regarding the Fremantle Football Club's financial offer to Lyon.
1. How financially stable is Freo?
2. Can it afford to pay Lyon what it is offering?
3. Does the AFL provide extraordinary support to Freo, as it does to at least 10 AFL clubs including the RFC?
4. If so, how can it justify the size of the offer to Lyon?
5. If the AFL is a custodian of the competition, how can it let Freo make such an offer?
There may be good answers to these but the questions are still worth asking.
May be evidence again of the AFL manipulating (fixing) the greater outcomes of the competition.
I do bear some concer regarding the Fremantle Football Club's financial offer to Lyon.
1. How financially stable is Freo?
2. Can it afford to pay Lyon what it is offering?
3. Does the AFL provide extraordinary support to Freo, as it does to at least 10 AFL clubs including the RFC?
4. If so, how can it justify the size of the offer to Lyon?
5. If the AFL is a custodian of the competition, how can it let Freo make such an offer?
There may be good answers to these but the questions are still worth asking.
May be evidence again of the AFL manipulating (fixing) the greater outcomes of the competition.
