Who knows the truth because whilst you say that ruck is his preferred position I have also read other posts which say that he doesn't want to play ruck and he wants Freo because he would play as a key forward .skiptomystu said:
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Genuine trade bait
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Sintiger said:
I think I have worked this out. It's all in the time-line.
Clark said he wanted to play predominately RUCK last time his contract was up and there was speculation he was going to be asking for a trade.
Then a couple of years later Voss tells him he will be used more up forward and so in response to a question he said he preferred playing in the forward line. Couldn't really say much else publically if that's where Voss told him he was mainly going to play.
BangorTiger said:
Scared? I know what the AFL wil do to ensure GWS succeeds, that's all I will say there. All I am saying is if GWS want Deledio they can have him and keep O'Meara as well. They don't need to bend over to get him so I can't see us getting O Meara and another 1st round draft pick from GWS for Deledio.
GoodOne said:
Quite right. They can just sign Lids and we get whatever compo the AFL decides. The only reason I see GWS possibly offering one of those 17 year olds in a deal for Lids is if they need to get him early. That is, they want him for the start of next season. It would seem remotely possible if the GWS decided Deledio was a big enough fish and they needed to sign a premium player, like GC did with Ablett.
But then, I am not sure Lids would be considered a premium player from a marketing perspective. And that would seem to be the only angle making the deal worthwhile from a GWS perspective.
Summerisle said:
depends who you speak to.
Cats offered Ottens some $$, said he would stay if we matched the offer.
But Miller wouldn't budge and said something along the lines that with him being out with a number of injuries in the last couple of years he owned the club.
I remember Bomber Thompson saying if he wants play for a successful club, come to geelong -
Richmond would never change and will always be a bottom side side.
I'm sure Ottens regrets his decision
Summerisle said:
That's my understanding. It wasn't over money; he'd been injured and had stagnated a little at Richmond. The incoming Wallace tried and failed to talk him around.
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
It was over money. He was asked to take a significant pay cut due to poor performance (partly due to injury) over the previous couple of years. Ottens took that as a loss of confidence in his abilities and chose to rejuvenate his career (and for more money) elsewhere.
Ottens was a good trade for us at the time. Pitty we completely ballsed up the picks we got for him.
Meyer and Pattison should have been an integral part of the our team right now. Instead they are just part of a long history of major stuff ups by the club.
Meyer and Pattison should have been an integral part of the our team right now. Instead they are just part of a long history of major stuff ups by the club.
GoodOne said:
Spot on, Wallace had just got the job at the end of the 2004 season and spoken to Ottens a couple of times and Ottens said he wanted to stay at Richmond, until money came into play.
Here`s a quote from Wallace at the time......
"In the conversations that I had with him, and that was only two, he suggested to me that he wanted to stay at the Richmond Football Club and it was only when money came into play that his mind changed," Wallace said.
GoodOne said:
That was certainly the line Wallace pushed after not being able to keep him. Geelong and Sydney had their hooks into him while Frawley was still there (Frawley advised him to go to Sydney).
You have to wonder how much of the pay issue was due to losses incurred under that ex-Nike CFO we had at the time.
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Wayne Campbell mentioned at the time that he and 6 other highest paid players had agreed to take significant paycuts for the following year. Ottens was in Adelaide at the time this was agreed. Of course the problem was to do with out great CEO running us to the ground and apparently also to allow Dean Solomon (who ended up rejecting our offer) and Nathan Brown to come to the Tigers.
GoodOne said:
Fair enough, can't recall any of that. He was also copping a fair bit of flak for underperforming (much of it justified IMO) and wanted to go to a lower-profile club.
He and Richo still appear to be on good terms judging by last night when Richo went to him after the siren for an interview.
Smoking Aces said:
In hindsight tarade picks not so good. That year's draft from around Pick 10 ended up not being so fruitful; #10 Egan; #11 Thompson; #12 Meyer; #13 Bate; #14 Monfries; #15 Dunn; #16 Pattison; #17 McQualter; #18 Wood; #19 Wilts; #20 Polo; #21 T Murphy; #22 Wells; #23 Rusling; #24 Van Berlo #25 Hartlett; #26 Little; #27 Garner; #28 Gibson; #29 Rosa; #30 Lee
Probably only 3 or 4 there who have really come on.
GoodOne said:
Worst draft of the decade along with 2002, we picked a terrible time to be giving up one of our best players.
zippadeee said:
But the club had said publically that they could not take on anymore salary and could only take picks. A player was never going to be part of the deal.
Any others are forgetting that Ottens had as much love amongst Tigers fans as Tambling at the end. Most were boasting that we had stooged the Cats by selling them a pea-heart who didn't try. Chances are without the move Ottens would have just drifted through a B-grade career.
tigertim said:
Exatly like Meyer & Pattison at least they lasted 10 months let alone 10 years.
I feel that Meyer would've/could've become a good player. His game against north on the g and the game at Geelong were very good, but in and out of the side just killed his confidence.
