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Game Day thread - Rnd 18 vs Norf
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The loss to the Cats was our catastrophic 2021 West Coast loss for this year it seemingly knocked some belief from the group and the trust, but sadly not the arrogance.
We sort of had a go then lost our way again against the Goldens, and didn't turn up against the Kangas.
Very reminiscent of our insipid losses to St Kilda, Collingwood and the Suns after that West Coast loss last year.
Our season ended there in 2021 and I think the Cats put the skids under us in 2022 with the losses to Gold Coast and North pushing us down the hill out of control.
We may well night fall right away from here as happened last season.
The connection the vibe the trust the brotherhood has gone.
The dual captaincy was a stupid decision, and a non Richmond one if I may say.
Our side has forgotten how to work how to graft how to impose itself.
Its playing lazy arrogant footy and its cost them the season.
The loss of Fly and Leppa is proving as hurtful, as many feared it could.
We sort of had a go then lost our way again against the Goldens, and didn't turn up against the Kangas.
Very reminiscent of our insipid losses to St Kilda, Collingwood and the Suns after that West Coast loss last year.
Our season ended there in 2021 and I think the Cats put the skids under us in 2022 with the losses to Gold Coast and North pushing us down the hill out of control.
We may well night fall right away from here as happened last season.
The connection the vibe the trust the brotherhood has gone.
The dual captaincy was a stupid decision, and a non Richmond one if I may say.
Our side has forgotten how to work how to graft how to impose itself.
Its playing lazy arrogant footy and its cost them the season.
The loss of Fly and Leppa is proving as hurtful, as many feared it could.
We clearly don't have a "mental strength when kicking for goal" coach.
Dwayne Russell on Hugo's dash down the wing in the last Q: "Mullett flowing like a cape" 
Geez Gibbo looks angry on the bench.
Geez Gibbo looks angry on the bench.
I know you've been banging on about the midfield but the midfield isn't why we lost either of the last 2 weeks and thats despite missing 2 of our best mids last week and 1 of them this.
We lost due to composure within the F50 arc.
Yes we need a deeper midfield but its a cop out to try and claim that its the midfield that are costing us games right now.
We dominated field position, and each of the last 2 weeks we controlled the game enough where we should have kicked 100+ points in both weeks. Thats not a week midfield, yes it can be strengthened but the reason why we failed the last 2 weeks is due to composure and efficiency in front of goal. Nothing more, nothing less.
no.
we have been steamrolled on several occasions this year. costs us games.
how do you stem momentum? by winning critical stoppages and scoring that calming goal the other way. you need a big-bodied, proactive midfield to do this.
midfield/ruck has lacked bite all year and Dimma has lamented this in his subtle way in more than one presser.
Also have the worst inability to kick easy goals in the league to by this years standards.
Even when we were kings we wouldn't ice games earlier when we should have.
Conversion is pathetic with some of the goals our blokes miss.
Has done my head in all season, and along with injuries to the wrong players at the worst times, has ruined a season that the Tigers should've been in contention for.
Read my post again. I said we do need a deeper midfield, and yes earlier in the season you are right, but to be fair this year is the first time we have really seen the impact of 666 causing these sort of swings in momentum. No-one here will claim that we need to improve our midfield (again I mentioned that in this post) but take the last 2 weeks, midfield have actually performed fairly well even though they have been severely undermanned.
Last 2 weeks have not been lost due to midfield. Even when North kicked what 7 in a row, that wasn't because we folded and they kept winning it out of the midfield, we hit back and then butchered it again inside of 50. The one time they got ascendancy and won several centre clearances in a row, was when 1 of the maggots decided all of a sudden to pay some ruck frees (all against Nank, 3 in a row I think) and then decided not to pay another ruck infringement at all for the rest of the game. It was bizarre what happened with those ruck duels.
Its also a fallacy to call this the stopping momentum focus. That would be if we were being smashed in centre clearances which we haven't been beaten in centre clearances all game, we have struggled around the ground for whatever reason so 666 isn't hitting us that hard (we get as many run ons as our opposition do) but yesterday we conceded at least 3 goals from forward 50 stoppages.
Having said all that, I still go back to our efficiency the last 2 weeks and stand by the fact that we have lost the last 2 weeks due to shots at goal. Nothing more.
Correct. Our inability to score cost us both games.
We had more inside 50’s then both teams, North and GC
Think we had twice as many marks inside 50 the north.
The whole game, including the comeback in the third, Richmond did not look switched on at all. They just seemed bereft of any ideas, there was little pressure, etc.
Contrast this with the level we played against Geelong. We play like that and North would have had another 100 point hiding. Pressure, backing each other up, creating opportunities, things we do only occasionally now.
On field leadership appears non existent.
But, I watched some of the Melbourne v Port game. Port were coming back in the last quarter and it was close. But look at Melbourne's positioning. A hurried kick for goal by Port . . . marked by a big ruck standing in the goal square. Gee, who'd have thought in a pressured game having a tall player standing in the goal square might be a good idea? I mean, it's only been a tactic for maybe 100 years. In fact, watch that 2020 PF, we used to do things like this. Some of Port's late goals came from a quick sideways kick in the forward line to a player right in front of goal - now this requires 2 things: the player with the ball must be looking for the opportunity and the players further up the ground must create the opportunity - we do neither, consistently. Not only is the delivery into the forward line bang it in and hope, but the forwards are not creating opportunities either .
All in all we have seriously lost our mojo. Plus, we don't like playing Docklands, so I really can't see us beating Freo next week. Their defence will kill us unless we do something about the way we play up forward. Stranger things happen quite often, but on current form Freo will be raging, and well deserved, favourites.
DS
Contrast this with the level we played against Geelong. We play like that and North would have had another 100 point hiding. Pressure, backing each other up, creating opportunities, things we do only occasionally now.
On field leadership appears non existent.
But, I watched some of the Melbourne v Port game. Port were coming back in the last quarter and it was close. But look at Melbourne's positioning. A hurried kick for goal by Port . . . marked by a big ruck standing in the goal square. Gee, who'd have thought in a pressured game having a tall player standing in the goal square might be a good idea? I mean, it's only been a tactic for maybe 100 years. In fact, watch that 2020 PF, we used to do things like this. Some of Port's late goals came from a quick sideways kick in the forward line to a player right in front of goal - now this requires 2 things: the player with the ball must be looking for the opportunity and the players further up the ground must create the opportunity - we do neither, consistently. Not only is the delivery into the forward line bang it in and hope, but the forwards are not creating opportunities either .
All in all we have seriously lost our mojo. Plus, we don't like playing Docklands, so I really can't see us beating Freo next week. Their defence will kill us unless we do something about the way we play up forward. Stranger things happen quite often, but on current form Freo will be raging, and well deserved, favourites.
DS
The problem with Parker he has the heart but not the skills for modern footy. Sure he can pull out some great moves and is brave but it is in bursts, not consistent. Aarts is very similar in many ways. If we continue with these footballers in the firsts instead of blooding our young kids we will end up with the mediocrity of seasons of 2004 to 2016. I don't want that. I want to see a Tigers team out on the park fighting for the guernsey and if we lose so be it but they have to show 100% commitment
I reckon Gibcus was angry because he was asked to play a specific game style that didn't suit his talents. I blame the forwards coaching for our problems in the forward 50 for that and not GibcusDwayne Russell on Hugo's dash down the wing in the last Q: "Mullett flowing like a cape"
Geez Gibbo looks angry on the bench.
I know what you're saying, but I'd rather play Parker instead of Aarts or Castagna. Skills aren't the best but at times they're reasonable. Castagna's the more skilled but seems to have disappeared mentally.
I re-watched the game and can find few positives from yesterday so agree we have no real leadership on the field as we had in the Cotchin era and without that follow my lead attitude. We are, as you say, bereft of ideas and the guys are not playing and supporting each other in the manner of seasons past were the opposition was gang tackled and another Tiger was standing by to start another attack. Yesterday we couldn't hold a tackle if our lives depended on it and their was little or no support. That we suddenly appear to have an aversion to kicking easy goals is not helping. 22 behinds when at least half we re eminently kickable was shocking. Finally, it is not necessarily bad coaching but more of lack of confidence throughout the team.
