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Game Day thread - Rnd 18 vs Norf

I think it is. Yes we are old but the talent is still there. This team has become complacent and bad habits have crept in. But still you should never lose a game of football against a pub team like North.
Huh ? Isn’t that what I’m saying ?
 
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Our game plan forward of D50 is totally *smile*. Sorry, Posh, I know you wrote there is a system - I dont agree. Every game at the ground I watch for our system. Every so often there's some nice play out of D50 that involves Broad or D Rioli. But from the wings, we have no system for easy marking or spotting players in the F50. none at all. It *smile* me to tears.

Bob - agree on this. When I say system, I think our system of playing our game worked, but you are right, the ball use inside 50 was poor. Yesterday was a bit different from previous games in a lot of ways, for much of the game (particularly the 2nd half) we were camped in their half for a heap of time, it stopped any run we usually have from half back (as no rebound was needed) hence why Rioli and Hugo couldn't get into the game. The movement in our forward line for much of the game was non existent and when there was our use was stupid. There was 1 example I remember very clearly, they were camped in the North half, Short had the ball on the wing looking to move inside 50, we had sveeral of our players lead to the pocket which moved their whole defence, opening up the top of the square for Balta and Short kicked into the pocket for a very easy spoil over the boundary, its hard to create space in a flooded forward line (and there were numerous times when all but 5 or 6 players were inside our attacking 50) which is why when you do you have to make the right decision and too many times were made the wrong one.

I think our system in terms of camping in their half worked, but the problem was, we were their for too long that just ended in flooding of our F50, there were numerous times that they tried to break out, they would look up and there were no North forwards forward of the ball, so it remained in there. It didn't help us, but you entries overall were shallow, we got very little out of Balta or Gibcus forward.
 
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Despite the swathes of negative commentary, the main reason we lost is because one team converted their opportunities & yet again we failed to.

Our lack of composure & skills in front of goals is absolutely killing us.

Someone posted a stat from last week. I think it was something like our expected score should have been something like 118 instead of 92. GC were about expected. I would expect the expected scoring for yesterday, we probably should have been close to 140 and North probably overscored on average, probably more like an 80 game. So that was essentially a 10 goal win that we managed to lose due to our lack of composure.

A lot of the shots at goal were easy.

2 for Nank from what 15-20m out
Jack snapped on his left in the 2nd quarter, normally would kick it but there were 3 players at the top of the square, he would normally give that off
Jack snapped on his right in the final quarter, would kick that 9 times out of 10 (possibly more)
Baker missed an easy 1 in the 1st quarter
Kmac missed an easy one

I'm sure there are others, and then you have the Aarts brainfade at the end.
 
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We should have won that game. It really is as simple as that. We should have won.

67 to 46 inside 50s

33 to 22 scoring shots.

Clearly we missed way too many shots, shots which were not just gettable but should be kicked well over 50% of the time. But it goes deeper than just missed shots.

Discussing this at the game, our forward 50 entries were so difficult, we just made very hard work of getting it into our 50 and going for goal when we did get it in there. In contrast, North waltzed into their forward line and it looked so much easier. A tonne of work to do on getting the ball inside 50. We get a lot of inside 50s, but quality inside 50s, not so much. Yes, opposition teams flood, what's new, but there were spaces in the forward line at times and no-one leading into the space.

Down back the example talked about above when Zurhar kicked the winning goal was indicative of the way our defence has been playing all year. Where were the defenders, why was it so easy for Zurhar to run through the pack, find space and time and then take the shot? Add to that the way most of our defenders go up for the spoil, spoil it to the front of the pack where there are half a dozen opposition players and not one Richmond player. Has been happening all year. You want to score against Richmond, just wait at the front of the pack and you can get a cheap possession because there will be no-one there for Richmond. Our positioning around packs has been woeful this year. How did Jack Dyer describe it - always where the ball isn't.

North played reasonably well but the loss is on us, we lost that game. The pressure was just non existent. Without that pressure, and with our terrible record at clearances, we are no chance of beating anyone, as proved today when we lost to one of the worst teams I've seen in years.

Must do something about the midfield, we let way too many clean clearances go. Opposition teams get the ball, spread and get quality inside 50s against us way too easily.

There seems to be little or no on-field leadership this year. I don't know what it is. Never liked co-captaincy and like it even less now. But I notice less talking and less setting up for clearances and the like. Much work to do here too.

Umpiring was the usual Dog's Breakfast. It was a mess all over the place. Umpires calling frees and pointing the wrong way and everyone is confused because none of them can work out who was getting the free. Just woeful. Players tackled and clearly holding the ball, not paid, then a player gets tackled with no prior and suddenly it is. Players grabbed without the ball and its play on, another player gets barely touched and its holding the man. Woeful.

Docklands. What can you say about that place? It is weird. There is no atmosphere there. The whole stadium just seems to suck the life out of a game of football. Doesn't help that they had about two thirds of the top deck unavailable. No wonder only 22k turned up. Have to go to that sh!thole again next week too. Not so bad this week I suppose, it was an away game, but next week I lose my usual seat on level 1 and will have to trudge upstairs to level 3 for a look at the game (can't they get some sort of arrangement for reserved seat and reserved bay members at that craphole?). There really is something drastically wrong with that place, my daughter said it feels like a shopping centre.

One last thing which has been p!ssing me off for a long time. The coaches' press conferences. You listen to the coach answer the questions, but you can't hear the questions. I even turned captions on and the captions couldn't make sense of the questions. How about a roving microphone at press conferences, or even 2 roving microphones so you can swap each question? This is pretty basic, you see microphones in the audience at question time at all sorts of events, but a microphone amongst a small group of journos at a press conference is clearly too difficult for the AFL. Bunch of amateurs.

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Good post David.

I was going to mention the umpiring last night. OMG that was the most incompetent umpiring performance I've seen in my life and impacted both sides. How you miss some of those frees, again for both sides is ridiculous. I suspect they may have got the slight rub of the green on that perspective but it was poor both ways.

The most flabbergasting one was in the last quarter when Cumberland nearly had his jumper ripped off his back in the goal square and the ump didn't pay a free. The North fans around me were laughing at how ridiculous a call it was.

Oh and the 3 ruck infringement frees paid in a row against Nank. WTF was that all about. No ruck infringement frees paid before or after for the rest of the game, but 3 in a row paid against Nank, not sure what any of them were for.

BTW there was also a free that was a clear ITB to us that the umpire paid as holding the man. He actually had the ball so it couldn't be paid holding the man as he had the ball and was being tackled. Incompetence at its finest.
 
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Grimes lost the game last week and was responsible for Zurrfart in the last 2 mins.
He shouldve never been put as captain
So who do you prefer? Nank is tough but is injured and can lose his cool, Graham does not show leadership and never interviewed after games, Jack has been a leader but now he's past it, Dusty is a great on-field leader but off-field duties aren't his go, so Cotch is our only option and he didn't want it. We are like a ship without a rudder.
 
Genuinely starting to think 2017-2020 was an aberration and this is just a return to normal.
Not an aberration just an illustration of what can be done when you have the best player in the AFL, at his peak, fully fit, who can beat anyone put on him and you have enough other good players to play their roles. We are missing Dusty, just as we did in 2018 Prelim (played injured).
 
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Since 2020 GF we have gone from humble and hungry to a lairy team drinking their own bathwater.
Embarrassing and a complete departure from what made us successful.
There is no system anymore.
And no Dusty.
 
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Well seven said that we would have been better without him so it is about whether Ryan would have been better? What do you think? Happy to discuss why 6 frees were given against Nanks, mostly technical and most in the 1st quarter. Maybe the Tigers didn't get the weekly change in interpretation email. I think it's best to wait for the report judgement first before condemning him, commentators and I couldn't see much in it. Missed 2 shots at goal? Shame on him, he spoiled our impeccable game accuracy.

I thought Nanks had a poor first half but he manned up and performed well in the 2nd despite being a lone ruckman. Played 84% game time which is massive for him. I really hate it when posters attack his integrity, he's probably put more heart and soul inro the club than anyone. And will alway put in. I hope our next long-term ruckman has as much soul as Nanks.
Shouldn't even be out there with a PCL he has carried all year and re-injured last week. Soldo hasn't recovered from that knee blow-out either physically or mentally.
 
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MC trying to be too clever....

Daniel is our best natural small forward. (Played well for the first part of this year as a half back, but that is not where he is most effective for the team.
Balta, Baker, Gibcus are the future of our backline.
Shorty wins B and F as a halfback.
Let the players learn their craft - I'm really worried that we will stuff up Gibcus and Balta.
When we bring in the kids, we need them to fill a slot alongside regulars, not swingmen all over the place.
We have all we need in defence. Forward line needs help desperately.
As a side issue, we have let Dusty and Jack have too much freedom on game day. Now that they can't do what they used to do, it is time for them to follow a whole team strategy without autonomy on the field.

In a year when we have been plagued by injuries, we need to reestablish the processes that served us so well. Easier said than done.
 
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Good post David.

I was going to mention the umpiring last night. OMG that was the most incompetent umpiring performance I've seen in my life and impacted both sides. How you miss some of those frees, again for both sides is ridiculous. I suspect they may have got the slight rub of the green on that perspective but it was poor both ways.

The most flabbergasting one was in the last quarter when Cumberland nearly had his jumper ripped off his back in the goal square and the ump didn't pay a free. The North fans around me were laughing at how ridiculous a call it was.

Oh and the 3 ruck infringement frees paid in a row against Nank. WTF was that all about. No ruck infringement frees paid before or after for the rest of the game, but 3 in a row paid against Nank, not sure what any of them were for.

BTW there was also a free that was a clear ITB to us that the umpire paid as holding the man. He actually had the ball so it couldn't be paid holding the man as he had the ball and was being tackled. Incompetence at its finest.
Umpire no 30 looked scared to pay a free.
 
Someone posted a stat from last week. I think it was something like our expected score should have been something like 118 instead of 92. GC were about expected. I would expect the expected scoring for yesterday, we probably should have been close to 140 and North probably overscored on average, probably more like an 80 game. So that was essentially a 10 goal win that we managed to lose due to our lack of composure.

A lot of the shots at goal were easy.

2 for Nank from what 15-20m out
Jack snapped on his left in the 2nd quarter, normally would kick it but there were 3 players at the top of the square, he would normally give that off
Jack snapped on his right in the final quarter, would kick that 9 times out of 10 (possibly more)
Baker missed an easy 1 in the 1st quarter
Kmac missed an easy one

I'm sure there are others, and then you have the Aarts brainfade at the end.
Expected scores from yesterday would’ve been Rich 113 to Norths 77.
 
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MC trying to be too clever....

Daniel is our best natural small forward. (Played well for the first part of this year as a half back, but that is not where he is most effective for the team.
Balta, Baker, Gibcus are the future of our backline.
Shorty wins B and F as a halfback.
Let the players learn their craft - I'm really worried that we will stuff up Gibcus and Balta.
When we bring in the kids, we need them to fill a slot alongside regulars, not swingmen all over the place.
We have all we need in defence. Forward line needs help desperately.
As a side issue, we have let Dusty and Jack have too much freedom on game day. Now that they can't do what they used to do, it is time for them to follow a whole team strategy without autonomy on the field.

In a year when we have been plagued by injuries, we need to reestablish the processes that served us so well. Easier said than done.
Daniel has played back for more than a year now. Was dropped before the change and looked like he was out the door. Genius move and has killed it there since. No way Daniel is going back forward. Baker has also played very well in a more-varied role. You make some value points elsewhere.
 
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Expected scores from yesterday would’ve been Rich 113 to Norths 77.
If you share goals and behinds evenly minus rushed behinds the Tigers end up with 108 and North 77. Unfortunately that's not the reality.
 
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