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Game Day thread - Rnd 18 vs Norf

I know you've been banging on about the midfield but the midfield isn't why we lost either of the last 2 weeks and thats despite missing 2 of our best mids last week and 1 of them this.

We lost due to composure within the F50 arc.

Yes we need a deeper midfield but its a cop out to try and claim that its the midfield that are costing us games right now.

We dominated field position, and each of the last 2 weeks we controlled the game enough where we should have kicked 100+ points in both weeks. Thats not a week midfield, yes it can be strengthened but the reason why we failed the last 2 weeks is due to composure and efficiency in front of goal. Nothing more, nothing less.

I agree with this analogy. 67 inside 50's to Norths 46 says our midfield is getting it in there. Here is the letdown, 33 scoring shots (22 behinds), we didn't convert = loss
 
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Not ahead of Vlustuin.

On gibbo needs to go back to the ressies and get a kick, refine his game. Confidence looks shot. Even before this game which he looked completely lost in the forward line, he had an ordinary 4-5 weeks playing back.

I'd be playing Miller ahead of him at this present time.

Now, If Balta is playing back then both miller and gibcus are out.

Back 7> Balta, Tarrant, Grimes, Broad, Vlustuin, Rioli, Ralphsmith
 
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Read my post again. I said we do need a deeper midfield, and yes earlier in the season you are right, but to be fair this year is the first time we have really seen the impact of 666 causing these sort of swings in momentum. No-one here will claim that we need to improve our midfield (again I mentioned that in this post) but take the last 2 weeks, midfield have actually performed fairly well even though they have been severely undermanned.

Last 2 weeks have not been lost due to midfield. Even when North kicked what 7 in a row, that wasn't because we folded and they kept winning it out of the midfield, we hit back and then butchered it again inside of 50. The one time they got ascendancy and won several centre clearances in a row, was when 1 of the maggots decided all of a sudden to pay some ruck frees (all against Nank, 3 in a row I think) and then decided not to pay another ruck infringement at all for the rest of the game. It was bizarre what happened with those ruck duels.

Its also a fallacy to call this the stopping momentum focus. That would be if we were being smashed in centre clearances which we haven't been beaten in centre clearances all game, we have struggled around the ground for whatever reason so 666 isn't hitting us that hard (we get as many run ons as our opposition do) but yesterday we conceded at least 3 goals from forward 50 stoppages.

Having said all that, I still go back to our efficiency the last 2 weeks and stand by the fact that we have lost the last 2 weeks due to shots at goal. Nothing more.

Wrong again.

Poor conversion is of course an issue at the moment, but that does not mean our midfield has been magically fixed in the last two weeks.

We generate all those inside 50s on turnover.

If we actually had a big-bodied mid to stand alongside Dion at stoppage we would be even better and the past two losses would certainly not have occurred, with or without the poor conversion.

Folks like you are looking too much at the surface malaise. Kicking at goal comes and goes. We’ve had games this year where conversion has been excellent.

It is the midfield where the deep, festering problem lies and the coaches know it.
 
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I remember a quote from a very successful NRL coach Warren Ryan in the 80s , when asked about his team falling away rapidly

he said all the juice has been squeezed out of the orange and there is none left .
 
Vlustuin?
Ahhhhhh, thank you Astute.

Had that strange feeling I'd missed someone.

Of course, Vlastuin for Hugo.

Which saddens me, because I'd love to find a way to get games into Hugo, but at this stage he's certainly not replacing Nick V or Marlion and Kmac on the wings
 
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Debacle and the last month has been outrageous. Shot themselves in the foot. The big question is whether they will bleed to death. It has to be backs to the wall and last man standing footy going forward. Not confident and trusting
 
This theory that assistants won us flags just grinds my gears. Coaching is about a team, there is a head coach and assistants but the ultimate decisions come from the head Coach.
Like any leadership position the success of the leader is not just what that person does but the team he or she builds around them and how they are managed, whether they are empowered and listened to.
Having good assistants and leading them and moulding them into a team is a big part of being a good coach imo.
Saying a 3 time premiership coach is some sort of lame duck made to look good by assistants is just garbage imo.

Agree it’s a team thing but for whatever reason the response to the rule changes introduced after our success in 2020, has not worked at all, remaining for the most part reminiscent of our chaos game.

Don’t have the stats but I also suspect that age and injury to both Lynch and Jack has also caused the pair to stay at home much more often than lead, as their mainstay playbook.

Cumberland then as a leading high forward with tricks, even on 1 1/2 games, looks like a winner.
Balta also to continue to be schooled with the hope that he becomes the new (old) Jack.
 
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If we actually had a big-bodied mid to stand alongside Dion at stoppage we would be even better and the past two losses would certainly not have occurred, with or without the poor conversion.
We do.

He's one of the best players of all time. But he has a bung hamstring right now.

Yes, our midfield has depth issues. But there isn't a better starting midfield in the league than Prestia, Martin, Cotchin, despite the latter's declining pace.

The future is a concern. Thank God for Sonsie.

Looking forward, we could have Graham, Sonsie, Baker, Bolton, Ross. There is a start there, but it needs a bigger, explosive mid. Dusty could still play another three years there. Did GAJ play till 35?

I wouldn't be too upset starting 2023 with Dusty, Prestia, Baker, Bolton, Ross, Graham, Sonsie as our midfield rotation, though the age profile is disproportionately bifurcated.

And we're missing a Lambert. Badly. So badly. Clarke? Maybe in a a couple of years.

We need Soldo to pull his broken thumb out.

We've had midfield issues this year. The big, frequent losses of Lambert, Prestia, Martin, Cotchin couldn't be covered by anyone. And most weren't age related.

The more concerning thing recently was that we started 3 players who were playing defence a month ago in our forward line.

Our forward line is a mess. Completely. There has been absolutely no consistency. Aarts and Castagna one week, Gibcus and Balta the next? That's schizophrenia.

Baker is a premiership back man. A growing mid. A bog average forward.

We've long touted Connection as a critical component of how we score. The lines have been cut.
 
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I wouldn't be too upset starting 2023 with Dusty, Prestia, Baker, Bolton, Ross, Graham, Sonsie as our midfield rotation, though the age profile is disproportionately bifurcated.
i would definitely worry how bifurcated that midfield is. could cost us the premiership;
 
Ahhhhhh, thank you Astute.

Had that strange feeling I'd missed someone.

Of course, Vlastuin for Hugo.

Which saddens me, because I'd love to find a way to get games into Hugo, but at this stage he's certainly not replacing Nick V or Marlion and Kmac on the wings
considering we have played 7 defenders each week for the last 10 years, you can fit Hugo in off the bench.
 
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Read my post again. I said we do need a deeper midfield, and yes earlier in the season you are right, but to be fair this year is the first time we have really seen the impact of 666 causing these sort of swings in momentum. No-one here will claim that we need to improve our midfield (again I mentioned that in this post) but take the last 2 weeks, midfield have actually performed fairly well even though they have been severely undermanned.

Last 2 weeks have not been lost due to midfield. Even when North kicked what 7 in a row, that wasn't because we folded and they kept winning it out of the midfield, we hit back and then butchered it again inside of 50. The one time they got ascendancy and won several centre clearances in a row, was when 1 of the maggots decided all of a sudden to pay some ruck frees (all against Nank, 3 in a row I think) and then decided not to pay another ruck infringement at all for the rest of the game. It was bizarre what happened with those ruck duels.

Its also a fallacy to call this the stopping momentum focus. That would be if we were being smashed in centre clearances which we haven't been beaten in centre clearances all game, we have struggled around the ground for whatever reason so 666 isn't hitting us that hard (we get as many run ons as our opposition do) but yesterday we conceded at least 3 goals from forward 50 stoppages.

Having said all that, I still go back to our efficiency the last 2 weeks and stand by the fact that we have lost the last 2 weeks due to shots at goal. Nothing more.
we had the most I50s for the round, and the most scoring shots.

i know the "expected score" isnt gospel, but i reckon that would show a comfortable win- not the thrashing we should have given North, but a win all the same, and the levels of angst on here would be much much less.
 
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Not taking sides in this debate but I think it is deluded (in our case) to place much importance on the number of times the ball gets inside 50, when so often delivery takes place without regard to a team mates advantage.

Targets like Lynch and Jack play injured and are slowing, and the likes of George and Aarts can’t hit the side of a barn.

As above high forwards like
Cumberland and Balta may provide some answers. Looking at the way a slowing old timer like Hawkins gets his ball also.
 
Wrong again.

Poor conversion is of course an issue at the moment, but that does not mean our midfield has been magically fixed in the last two weeks.

We generate all those inside 50s on turnover.

If we actually had a big-bodied mid to stand alongside Dion at stoppage we would be even better and the past two losses would certainly not have occurred, with or without the poor conversion.

Folks like you are looking too much at the surface malaise. Kicking at goal comes and goes. We’ve had games this year where conversion has been excellent.

It is the midfield where the deep, festering problem lies and the coaches know it.

I'm actually glad that you think I'm wrong, as that most likely means I'm right.

You clearly haven't read any of my posts by the way. I've never claimed that our midfield cannot be improved and absolutely needs to be.

If there was an award for the most hyperbole spouted, you and Zips would lead it in a canter.
 
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I'm actually glad that you think I'm wrong, as that most likely means I'm right.

You clearly haven't read any of my posts by the way. I've never claimed that our midfield cannot be improved and absolutely needs to be.

If there was an award for the most hyperbole spouted, you and Zips would lead it in a canter.

Don’t get all sensitive Posh

Inside 50s alone don’t tell the story

Oppo is scoring too easily against us from ball won at the coal face

Come on it ain’t that hard