Ball use is definitely part of it, but bear in mind we still marked the ball inside 50 17 times, so we did get the ball in the right areas at times. We scored what 1.9 from inside 30 and 2.11 from inside 40. Thats woeful. We actually kicked the ball well from long range, Baker, Riewoldt, Rioli, Miller all kicked goals from 50m or so out. Cumberland kicked 2 from about 45m out.
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Game Day thread - Rnd 18 vs Norf
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Ball use is definitely part of it, but bear in mind we still marked the ball inside 50 17 times, so we did get the ball in the right areas at times. We scored what 1.9 from inside 30 and 2.11 from inside 40. Thats woeful. We actually kicked the ball well from long range, Baker, Riewoldt, Rioli, Miller all kicked goals from 50m or so out. Cumberland kicked 2 from about 45m out.
Wrong.
The midfield has faded badly this year, from Nank to Cotch to Dusty
They aren’t what they were, that’s just footy reality
Midfield is where we are killing ourselves
Oppo slicing through too easily
Reckon Cotchin has been good this year. Not sure about Dusty - doesn’t play!!
I agree they don't, but theres more to it than just saying, we need a midfield bull.
Certainly defensively, we need to improve at D50 stoppages, North kicked at least 3 from their F50 stoppages, I think Zurhaar kicked 2 of them. Some of that can be fixed with simple positional improvements, but our clearances around the ground have been a problem for a long time.
Having said that, we controlled field position for a long period of time, you cannot control that much field position without winning some clearances and we are fine in the centre of the ground, our centre square clearances have been fairly good all year, its around the ground we struggle.
We've actually been playing fairly well of late. The last 10 games we have won 6 and lost 4.
Swans - lack of discipline was at the forefront of losing this game
Geelong - losing Prestia hurt us big time - as it did in Round 1 - and we struggled to replace him in the midfield in the 1st half, thats where we lost the game, with the 5-6 goal lead we gave the Cats in the 1st half
GC - last week was all down to goal kicking
North - again all down to goal kicking
People acting like we are an awful team, had we kicked better the last 2 weeks (and it is expected that we should have), then neither game would have come down to incidents that occurred in the last couple of minutes and we would be 1 win out of the Top 4 and people would still be talking about Premierships. We certainly have things to improve, some within our control this season (goal kicking / indiscipline) and some we need to control at the end of the year (midfield depth, tall forward depth) through the trade / draft period.
You can bang on about needing to be better at stoppages, but we won't generate that with the current list and expecting us to be able to fix it mid season is the route to disappointment. We can't control that until the trade period when hopefully we will add 1 of either Taranto or Hopper.
I think other teams don’t fear us any more. I think we have lost our “we can achieve anything” attitude and I think we are just a very ordinary side now. I don’t think we will make the finals, thankfully as we just don’t have it anymore.
agree with most of this. Don't agree with the 'all down to goalkicking' calls for last 2 losses. We kicked shithouse no doubt, particularly against North, terrible. But if we'd kicked accurately and won both games, it would have been great and I would have taken it and ran, but it would also be papering over the cracks.
Yes, the loss was due to the failure to finish, to execute.
Most of those errors are due to rushing.
PosiSocks are the key.
Trent's PosiSocks with positive, inspirational messages for each day.
The 3P sessions.
Trent's PosiSocks with positive, inspirational messages for each day.
The 3P sessions.
Does anyone know how many vfl games RCD has played only official vfl games.
He's played 11 afl,but by God tigers are poor with vfl information.
He's played 11 afl,but by God tigers are poor with vfl information.
Surely he has to be close to 50? Albeit there was a season or so with Covid where the VFl was cancelled so maybe its less than that.
Posh I meant to make clear that I was talking about delivery into the forward 50, ie kicking to a target. Not about set shots from within, which in Jacks case was particularly bad.
It is a skill failure certainly but it also has to do with the coaching failure to adapt to the stand rule and the 6x6x6 rule changes.
Put it another way. If Dimma and co had thought kicking to advantage into the forward line was a vitally important skill he would have sacked George, Aarts and Dow long ago.
Instead he has stuck to his guns on chaos and with the fewer defensive options given to us (created for us?) by these two rule changes, the ball is sent out just as quickly as it goes in.
Thought that Shedsy would retire at the end of the year, Jack next year, Cotch year after.
Sheds, Caddy, RCD depart this year.
Phase the retirements.
The strategic error that the Cats and Hawks made was to cut too deep, too soon.
They treated Bartel like a carcass.
Nothing to show for it.
Still concerned by Cats ageing demographic, they fizzle at the business end.
Notching up H&A wins at GMHBA is not the same as a MCG final.
Completely different kettle of fish.
Sheds, Caddy, RCD depart this year.
Phase the retirements.
The strategic error that the Cats and Hawks made was to cut too deep, too soon.
They treated Bartel like a carcass.
Nothing to show for it.
Still concerned by Cats ageing demographic, they fizzle at the business end.
Notching up H&A wins at GMHBA is not the same as a MCG final.
Completely different kettle of fish.
Graham, Dusty, Ross are all strong, big bodies. Prestia doesn't need to be. Bolton and Baker are slight, but they can't all be Graham, and you need speed too. It's not a bad mix. It could use a Clayton Oliver... But... So could they all.
I think you're a little focused on one issue.
I think a bigger issue than size is two way running.
But I guess you'll just say
Wrong.
As the ultimate authority.
We have won three flags in four years.
We have some of the best, arguably the best, recruitment, talent management and fitness staff in the league, developing (and culling) our list.
The idea that they have somehow gone missing in action is nonsense, pure negative BS.
We have some of the best, arguably the best, recruitment, talent management and fitness staff in the league, developing (and culling) our list.
The idea that they have somehow gone missing in action is nonsense, pure negative BS.
This has been Cotchin's best season in some time imo. To think, everyone thought he was broken down and Edwards would play together.
As far as I can find it’s something like:
12 this year
5 in 2021
0 in 2020 (scratch matches)
11 in 2019.
but yeah, it’s hard data to find.
