We still look weak at HF but overall the whole team connects well which is great to see, however shouldn't both game plans be the same as we had under Dimma? Morro's getting better by the day and could be our next coach when he's ready.
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Can Yze Coach?
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Yeah, you would think so.
It's hard to know. I'd love to hear from the club what the plan is.
It looks very different at both levels.
I've never really bought into a one size fits all game plan. I'd base it around the cattle.
Yeah you said it turnovers why ?? . Let me tell you because some can't execute the basics of footy kicking and it's skills.
I remember most of us, me included, were criticising Dimma many times about what game plan we were using in 2016 up to the point we wanted him gone until.... the heavens opened in 2017. Maybe we're 'trying' something in the 1sts to test out our players performances and the 2nds plan is the one we merge into later in time.
I don't think people understand really we're we a as a side. Very simple rejuvenation and rebuild with our older players on their last legs. We seen a great first half yesterday and that's what you get from a young side with alot of youth they play in patches and quarters. I'm not even going to mention the horror fitness and conditioning horror show and injuries.
The 2017 story is such an interesting one.
By Dimma's own account, it was borne out of renewed flexibility, improvisation, and playing the squad we had to their strengths.
We have a bunch of small speedsters, and all our tall forwards are injured? Well we better just get the ball to ground and swarm.
We have some contested specialists who can run all day? Get it forward of the contest and run.
We only have one ruckman? Play a winger as a 4th midfielder in the ruck, win it with numbers.
Perfect synergy of plan and performers.
But, from what I can read, the players were there first.
In 2016 we were still playing a kick, to kick, ball retention game plan. It was a massive about face.
It can happen quickly if you get the plan right.
My guess is Morris is playing players to their strengths. Improvising from what he has at his disposal.
Which seems to be the case, when players have played one role at VFL level, then been elevated to the AFL and played a different one.
Almost entirely guess work though.
Good point. It's all going to take time for everything and everyone to connect.
The problem facing Yze is not only injuries but speculation on some senior players' futures whilst trying the young blokes in the side. Some of them don't have the tank yet. Most don't have the experience to handle the pressure at the top level and unfortunately our skills collectively have deteriorated steeply this season. This last bit I don't understand as this part of the puzzle makes it really difficult for Yze. Does he trust that the execution will improve as the team confidence improves? Yet the way we are going confidence is in short supply. Massive job ahead for the coaches.
I see us trialling things in the VFL that we then try and execute in the AFL a few weeks later. Green surging into the square to tackle harass the opposition if the opposition sweep deep from a centre bounce. The run, kick and carry surge which we are trying but failing too much at AFL gets applied better/more often in the VFL. I think the "slower" pace of the VFL enables that.
I think we are blessed with a number of hard/hard at it VFL bodies that complement our AFL contingent. Joel Garner (he rucked yesterday), Brindley, Lachie Street before he got injured, Lachie Willson (small but harder than a cat's head) etc. provide a hard mature edge that enable our guys to flourish. Gut feel is that every VFL player has fully bought into the two way running gameplan. Sam Davidson, Scott, Olden, Guiney etc are noticeable in that facet alongside the older/more senior guys. Standing on the sidelines and seeing the two way running is impressive.
I think in multiple posts people have identified that we lack some of that two way effort at times. That I agree with and is where I'm seeing potentially better buy in from the VFL team overall.
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Ollie Grant has done a great job with the VFL list. Hopefully he is working with the AFL recruiting department as well.
How many first year coaches in the history of vfl/afl have won a Wooden Spoon?
He’s going to be in rare company and I believe it was the wrong time for the club to get a new coach with a lot of Hardwick’s team still there. It basically should’ve still been mini as he was part of the Hardwick history and in two years time when most had moved on or retired and if mini hadn’t improved the newbies then a new coach comes in. We would’ve saved a truckload of money and probably at least one coach. I think Yze is now the sacrificial lamb like Wallace and if he survives it he will probably be a long serving coach, but the odds are stacked against him.
He’s going to be in rare company and I believe it was the wrong time for the club to get a new coach with a lot of Hardwick’s team still there. It basically should’ve still been mini as he was part of the Hardwick history and in two years time when most had moved on or retired and if mini hadn’t improved the newbies then a new coach comes in. We would’ve saved a truckload of money and probably at least one coach. I think Yze is now the sacrificial lamb like Wallace and if he survives it he will probably be a long serving coach, but the odds are stacked against him.
To me, it's a concern if a game plan results in a goal 1 out of 10 attempts.
Even accounting for inexperience.
The best plans are simple and robust. That's how you keep your shape in finals and grand finals, when pressure erodes complexity, and forges blunt force.
We were a dynasty team for a lot of reasons, but one part of that is a simple, bulletproof game plan, built for finals, that each member of the squad could distill down to a few words on a wrist band.
And, yeah, an incredible core group.
Something to note, is we tended not to win big or lose big. We also tended to keep winning with injuries to key players.
If a game plan requires a team of 1st round draft picks to function, then it isn't much of a game plan. If you have the best squad in the league, all you have to do is not get on their way.
It takes a talented coach to compete with an average list.
I would be concerned that if we are successful in ten percent of attempts with an inexperienced list during the home and away season, it will be similar with a talented and experienced list in finals.
So,the guy has gone from being the mastermind behind Melbourne's premiership, a shrewd tactician that impressed the likes of Clarkson, Balme, Buckley etc, to clueless?
Yeah, nah, I call *smile*.
I hear you, but your point means I probably didn't explain well enough. I see it more that with confidence in where our teammates are and making slightly better choices we probably execute 60%+. At that level we stop the turnover goals against ourselves and get 6 additional inside 50's where we have players clear out the back.
The one's I can recall, Kamdyn kicks to Seth on the wing but it's a loopy kick and the blues player gets across and spoils OOB. (Note: The training drills are focused on flat hard kicks and Kamdyn got called out at training for loopy kicks.) Had that kick got to Seth, Noah was out the back and clear of Weitering. Another one we worked the ball well off halfback, kick over the top (Hugo I think), He has an inside option and outside option but on the inside there are two blues defenders squeezing up. He either had to out side and around the blues or feign going outside to draw the defender wide and then go inside. He went inside without feigning and the two blues collapsed in and we had a stoppage (I think it was Taranto that got caught). Those are decision making/execution errors that can be fixed. Three or four other such surges were similar. It's just a little more confidence, understanding between teammates and the execution pays off.
If anything I see it more aligned to 2017 and just needing the players to "trust" and execute, so yes some additional talent but it as much workrate and effort which we have seen appears better at the VFL level so it is doable with many of the current list imho.
Speed/endurance and two way running are needed along with ability to execute to some acceptable level.
