When will Bernie go !!

[Baron Samedi]

come on Ninja, it ain't that hard to read between the lines. it's a bloody large print novel.

1) get beaten in EF by 9th placed team in 2013 (fact)
2) astounding turnaround from 3-10 in 2014 after players let off the chain (documented in player interviews)
3) get beaten in EF by team that finished lower than us in 2015 (fact)
4) review into head coach and recruiting (fact), marked change in recruiting philosophy (obvious from new attributes selected)
5) over-cautious football in 2016 originally blamed on players, then reluctantly conceded by coach after new assistants and football manager installed (fact)
6) changes to leadership group after six years of status quo under hardwick (fact)

yeah, there's nothing to see here. as supporters what do we know? we should never use our critical faculties and make relatively safe deductions.

the so-called bright-siders on here have been resisting the obvious for years - defending Dimma, defending Vickery, defending Benny and Peggy as the saviors of a club that was "worse than Fitzroy". love how the bright-siders suddenly fall into line only when the club finally admits or hints at past errors. non-thinking automatons, all of them :hihi

 

[ninjahaha]

No probs with reading between the lines...

But you are reading putrid, I read grey.



I think all the evidence points to Dima and the club have being average under his leadership, you guys make him out to be Mark Neeld!



Factor in that we where as bad as the dee's, most independents would argue worse when he took over. Paul roo's a premiership coach didn't achieve as much as Dima did with the AFL running the ship!

 

[Sintiger]

the so-called bright-siders on here have been resisting the obvious for years - defending Dimma, defending Vickery, defending Benny and Peggy as the saviors of a club that was "worse than Fitzroy". love how the bright-siders suddenly fall into line only when the club finally admits or hints at past errors. non-thinking automatons, all of them :hihi

Like so many who argue these points you have fallen into the the trap of putting people in baskets Baron, thinking there are only two type of richmond supporters. Brightsiders and others
Of course it is not like that. There are those who see only darkness and everything wrong with the club (a relative few) and there are those who only see good in the club, those you call brightsiders, also a relative few.
Like so many things in life the majority of opinion is in between, and those in there are sometimes cursed to be dragged into one or other camp by those who can only think in black or white and not shades of grey.
I am critical of some things the club does and I will praise them when I think they do the right thing. Maybe that makes me and those like me a "dullsider", neither bright or dark. I can tell you for sure what most of these people aren't ....non-thinking automatons!!

 

[Baron Samedi]

Like so many who argue these points you have fallen into the the trap of putting people in baskets Baron, thinking there are only two type of richmond supporters. Brightsiders and others
Of course it is not like that. There are those who see only darkness and everything wrong with the club (a relative few) and there are those who only see good in the club, those you call brightsiders, also a relative few.
Like so many things in life the majority of opinion is in between, and those in there are sometimes cursed to be dragged into one or other camp by those who can only think in black or white and not shades of grey.
I am critical of some things the club does and I will praise them when I think they do the right thing. Maybe that makes me and those like me a "dullsider", neither bright or dark. I can tell you for sure what most of these people aren't ....non-thinking automatons!!

just mucking around, Sinners. but yeah, I guess the jury is out on whether "dark siders" are just miserable gits or not. we haven't been that great onfield in the last thirty years or so :hihi and as you know I am very bullish about the state of our list.

 

[Sintiger]

just mucking around, Sinners. but yeah, I guess the jury is out on whether "dark siders" are just miserable gits or not. we haven't been that great onfield in the last thirty years or so :hihi and as you know I am very bullish about the state of our list.

Ok

Using my definition I am most definitely a dullsider

I just can't get a handle on what is going to happen. My biggest fear, which might be what you most want btw, is that despite the talent we are dysfunctional on the field. That can definitely happen, especially if we stink it up early.

Why i say it's what you most want is because if it does happen Dimma is a goner by round 12-16 I suspect.

 

[asian tetley]

Practical example!

Any chance that some players at the club didn't think Jack was as mature as he should be? Any chance a lot of them didn't think he was up to the off field tasks associated with being a leader?

Any chance that after the kick to the guts that last year was for all of us and another year of maturing that jack has grown in the areas he was week?

Any chance that older players who have left change a group dynamic?


Any chance that dima wanted him as VC this year also?

Any chance that Hardwick would still be coach of RFC, if it wasn't for that monumental blunder of Gale & Co to extend Bernie's contract?

 

[Sintiger]

Any chance that Hardwick would still be coach of RFC, if it wasn't for that monumental blunder of Gale & Co to extend Bernie's contract?

No idea and i don't see the point debating it to be honest because he is the coach.

 

[asian tetley]

No idea and i don't see the point debating it to be honest because he is the coach.

No Idea?
Really?
I reckon most of the football world has every idea when it comes to Hardwick, the coach.
Nobody rates him as a coach,except the odd feral here & there, even most of those have dropped off after last year.

 

[Baloo]

Mutton is a lawyer. Facts are are subjective.

 

[lamb22]

Mutton is a lawyer. Facts are are subjective.

Wow, gratuitous drive by, OK then.

BTW I think your posts are are silly (and subjective).

 

[asian tetley]

Mutton is a lawyer. Facts are are subjective.

The longest serving VFL/AFL coach without a finals win.
Nothing subjective about that.

 

[nikolasmia]

No idea and i don't see the point debating it to be honest because he is the coach.

That's very convenient.

Using that mentality there isn't much use of you even being on this forum, or any forum for that matter.

 

[leon]

Any chance that Hardwick would still be coach of RFC, if it wasn't for that monumental blunder of Gale & Co to extend Bernie's contract?

Absolutely yes. They did cave in somewhat, mostly to media pressures I think, but after taking the club to 3 EFs in a row, even if failures, meant he was almost certain to be renewed for 2017. Making it two years was what is most arguably an error.

Kind of similar with Buckley at Pies, but who was given only one year after dropping down the ladder most of the years he's coached, whereas wasn't it only 2016 that was a step backwards for Hardwick?

 

[Baron Samedi]

Absolutely yes. They did cave in somewhat, mostly to media pressures I think, but after taking the club to 3 EFs in a row, even if failures, meant he was almost certain to be renewed for 2017. Making it two years was what is most arguably an error.

Kind of similar with Buckley at Pies, but who was given only one year after dropping down the ladder most of the years he's coached, whereas wasn't it only 2016 that was a step backwards for Hardwick?

um, plus three embarrassing, deflating finals losses.

 

[Sintiger]

That's very convenient.

Using that mentality there isn't much use of you even being on this forum, or any forum for that matter.

Seriously ?

Have a look at the question that I was asked to answer " any chance that Hardwick would still be coach of RFC if it wasn't for the monumental blunder of Gale & Co to extend Bernie's contract?"

How in the hell would I know ? How in the hell would you know? No one knows the answer to that question because he was reappointed so it's guesswork.

I have an opinion on Hardwick which I have expressed since the end of last season which is that I would rather we had a new coach. I am not however going to bang on and on whinging and moaning about what should have happened like so many do. It mostly pointless mindless posting imo.

So what about that opinion makes it not much use being on this forum? The part where I don't want to waste my time speculating about something that didn't happen or the part where I refuse to whinge and moan forever but would prefer to concentrate on what is actually happening?

 

[gutfull]

Errr Baron , yeah l like Peggy and Benny and Dimma

I like balme ( you didn't inc him )?
"Von baron"
The club has done very good things off field in the past 6 months , pitty Vonny boy your blind with darkness on this site ..
cheer up old boy , giddy up ...
Tigets might touch you up this year ...

 

[Sintiger]

No Idea?
Really?
I reckon most of the football world has every idea when it comes to Hardwick, the coach.
Nobody rates him as a coach,except the odd feral here & there, even most of those have dropped off after last year.

I didn't say I had no idea about Hardwick as a coach, I said I had no idea of the answer to the hypothetical question I was asked.

My opinion on Dimma is already in this thread

 

[easy_tiger]

I didn't say I had no idea about Hardwick as a coach, I said I had no idea of the answer to the hypothetical question I was asked.

My opinion on Dimma is already in this thread

I was watching a pretty good, crappy B grade king fu movie with my youngest tonight and the hero, who was raised by ethereal warrior monks, goes

If you seek the truth, hold no opinions.

 

[ninjahaha]

I reckon most of the football world has every idea when it comes to Hardwick, the coach.
Nobody rates him as a coach,except the odd feral here & there, even most of those have dropped off after last year.

Most of the football world dosnt rate our list either! Or our club!

You and other's speak as if you know the outcome! That it is a Fact! That your though processes are obviously the only answer and the only outcome if we follow your wisdom is success!



After three finals losses, I can understand why the club took a conservative approach. We where average, nomans land! After the port finals smashing, I believe the club invested in youth and pace, aware that 2016 would be a season of pain, most likely this one as well. Building on foundations, trying to take the next step from average towards being a consistent finals contender. Cause to do it in the real world takes planning, action and your mortal enemy, patients and the chance you may fail!



Hardwick took on an extention knowing this. He will cop it in the neck if the investment in Prestia, Caddy and Knackers dosnt steady the ship. He will get the chopp if enough of the kids we invested in after the port final dont come on! The long game is keeping dusty, use our two first round draft picks wisely and set our self up for a prolonged era of finals leading to a flag!




In the real world you plan and constantly re-adjust. Its an ongoing process. You do it knowing that you may not succeed! Scapegoating and b!tching and moaning dosnt change the past or the future! Doing is brave. Spitting the dummy is the easy ride!




I for one am looking forward to having the footy back, come what may!

 

[zippadeee]

The only reason I want him gone is, he never tries something mid game. If things go bad he sits back and watches it happen.
Therefore I can't see him lasting the entire season. Caracalla will take over round 15 and win 4-5 games. They will sign him up and in 3 years time we will going through the same *smile* again.