When will Bernie go !!

[tigertime2]

I still don't get this dumbass Brightside v darkside?

Dimma had to change and he did.
The list had to improve and it did.

Balme proved at Geelong the coach is overated, it is the team around the coach that is important.
I would trust Balme to produce another flag soon and Balme only.

 

[lukeanddad]

I still don't get this dumbass Brightside v darkside?

Dimma had to change and he did.
The list had to improve and it did.

Balme proved at Geelong the coach is overated, it is the team around the coach that is important.
I would trust Balme to produce another flag soon and Balme only.

I love Balme, but were you watching the 10 mins after the siren? No one went to balme. They were all playing for the coach. They believed in him and wanted to make him proud.

No way is the coach overrated. The most important non-playing individual at the club.

 

[Al Bundy]

I still don't get this dumbass Brightside v darkside?

Dimma had to change and he did.
The list had to improve and it did.

Balme proved at Geelong the coach is overated, it is the team around the coach that is important.
I would trust Balme to produce another flag soon and Balme only.

Like that.

I truly hope now Dimma is resigned to a longer contract over the summer break. Improved out of sight. Must be retained. Help achieve what we all have been waiting for !

Thank u Dimma & all those involved in getting the job finally done. :clap

 

[tigersnake]

I still don't get this dumbass Brightside v darkside?

Dimma had to change and he did.
The list had to improve and it did.

Balme proved at Geelong the coach is overated, it is the team around the coach that is important.
I would trust Balme to produce another flag soon and Balme only.

Pretty simple. sack dimma v keep dimma

 

[Baron Samedi]

Pretty simple. sack dimma v keep dimma

Love what Dimma has done in 2017, his future is now a moot point. For a coupla years anyway.

But your whole thing seems to be based on the equation

Keep Dimma = win flag

Sack Dimma = not win flag

Sorry but that's misguided.

Say we sacked him in the off season. Cara or Leppa steps in. Cara brings a new contest method and spread. Leppa still insists on trying out a new forward system. Balmey does what Balmey does.

Most importantly, the playing list is still the playing list. With all the natural improvement ready to explode.

You saying none of that would've happened?

This whole crusade of yours is garbage, mate. Garbage.

Dimma is a premiership coach and the debate is now pointless.

But you're doing the players a disservice with your implication that we wouldn't have won the flag without Dimma.

Good chance we would've, and perhaps sooner too.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Hardwick himself said he had to change & open himself to the playing group & fresh ideas. That he did is a massive credit to him.
He recognised his weaknesses & evolved as a coach. Deserves every success.

Peggy, Brendon & the board are the ones that deserve most credit for sticking by him when others wouldn't have. Myself included.
Courage under fire has seen them victorious.

 

[Brodders17]

Dimma has evolved and won us a flag. He said it, the club said it, the players said it.

Harry, Lamby and I said he needed to evolve. Needed to trust. Let the players play without so many rules.

so you wanted us to lose to the blooze to help Hardwick evolve. clearly a few of us misunderstood and thought you wanted him sacked.

 

[123cups]

I still don't get this dumbass Brightside v darkside?

Dimma had to change and he did.
The list had to improve and it did.

Balme proved at Geelong the coach is overated, it is the team around the coach that is important.
I would trust Balme to produce another flag soon and Balme only.

Some people believed Dimma had the foundations to be a great coach - others didn't think he was capable of changing so they wanted to punt him.

Now they're trying to say they were right because he got the best out of himself like they said he couldn't.

It's literally no different to someone saying "Buddy won't make it, trade him" halfway through his second season when he's playing VFL, where others saw potential in him and later on the "delist him" darksiders turn around and say "oh, but he improved! I'm right!".

 

[tigersnake]

Love what Dimma has done in 2017, his future is now a moot point. For a coupla years anyway.

But your whole thing seems to be based on the equation

Keep Dimma = win flag

Sack Dimma = not win flag

Sorry but that's misguided.

Say we sacked him in the off season. Cara or Leppa steps in. Cara brings a new contest method and spread. Leppa still insists on trying out a new forward system. Balmey does what Balmey does.

Most importantly, the playing list is still the playing list. With all the natural improvement ready to explode.

You saying none of that would've happened?

This whole crusade of yours is garbage, mate. Garbage.

Dimma is a premiership coach and the debate is now pointless.

But you're doing the players a disservice with your implication that we wouldn't have won the flag without Dimma.

Good chance we would've, and perhaps sooner too.

Woulda shoulda coulda. Who cares? Your attempted history rewrite doesn't wash pal. You take a line, own it.

 

[123cups]

But you're doing the players a disservice with your implication that we wouldn't have won the flag without Dimma.

Good chance we would've, and perhaps sooner too.

We won a flag on the back of intangible cultural benefits and a firm defensive philosophy.

That's on Dimma, not the raw talent of the list.

 

[Baloo]

Listen to all the talk from the players. More important than any game style was the unbrealable bond between the team. The unconditional trust and love for Dimma.

Replacing Dimma might have changed the game style but wouldn’t have won us a flag.

 

[Baron Samedi]

We won a flag on the back of intangible cultural benefits and a firm defensive philosophy.

A "firm defensive philosophy" which was developed by the assistants in conjunction with Dimma.

By his own admission, it flipped most of his philosophies on their heads.

Do you really think, in the event of Dimma being sacked, that we would've rolled out last year's structures?

Turn it up, kid

 

[Baron Samedi]

so you wanted us to lose to the blooze to help Hardwick evolve. clearly a few of us misunderstood and thought you wanted him sacked.

The chances of him evolving after seven years looked slim, Brodders, despite your sarcasm.

The fact he did is something I will always be grateful for.

 

[Baron Samedi]

Some people believed Dimma had the foundations to be a great coach - others didn't think he was capable of changing so they wanted to punt him.

Now they're trying to say they were right because he got the best out of himself like they said he couldn't.

It's literally no different to someone saying "Buddy won't make it, trade him" halfway through his second season when he's playing VFL, where others saw potential in him and later on the "delist him" darksiders turn around and say "oh, but he improved! I'm right!".

Of course, the wasted years of 2013-16 should be ignored.

How many years would you have given him to get things right?

He said it himself - lucky, humbled to still be around.

In the end, he got us there and his future is assured.

 

[123cups]

A "firm defensive philosophy" which was developed by the assistants in conjunction with Dimma.

By his own admission, it flipped most of his philosophies on their heads.

Umm, I'm not sure where you've been but Damien Hardwick has always been about defence.

The innovative move to play Steve Morris as a defensive forward in 2015 was all Dimma and it's idiotic to say his defensive philosophy was tipped on its head by his assistant coaches.

 

[Baron Samedi]

This playing group has always had incredible spirit.

The focus on "connection", whilst I buy it and appreciate it, is mainly a response to media questioning on "how we turned things around".

All clubs do that stuff.

 

[123cups]

Of course, the wasted years of 2013-16 should be ignored.

How many years would you have given him to get things right?

A full rebuild takes 7-8 years.

That's how long it took for us.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Listen to all the talk from the players. More important than any game style was the unbrealable bond between the team. The unconditional trust and love for Dimma.

Replacing Dimma might have changed the game style but wouldn’t have won us a flag.

Agree Baloo.

This is clear & intangible.

Relationships are long forged as is trust. Clearly the players have a deep affection for their coach.

THAT can't be just traded in.

 

[Baron Samedi]

Umm, I'm not sure where you've been but Damien Hardwick has always been about defence.

The innovative move to play Steve Morris as a defensive forward in 2015 was all Dimma and it's idiotic to say his defensive philosophy was tipped on its head by his assistant coaches.

Wrong. I think you've become a little confused. Allow me to help.

Dimma was an offensive coach in 2012-13. It was about smashing offensive drills to win the footy and get it forward.

An aggressive, high-press territory game. We switched to a possession-style game in 2014-16.

Patient movement, focusing on footskills. again, smashing offensive drills, this time to win the ball on the outside, particularly at half back.

The players he selected in F50, like Morris, were there to keep the ball in.

This was Dimma thinking offensively. Not enough for me, but his intent was aggressive.

We all thought it looked like a defensive setup.

In hindsight, the players didn't have the skill to implement what he wanted us to do.

It wasnt horses for courses and it was bad coaching.

This year he removed all offensive drills. Made it about stopping the opposition chains. Stopping transition.

Almost purely defensive. He and the other coaches reasoned that the offensive side will largely come as a result of the defensive foundation.

And voila, look what you get.

Anytime, kid, no problem.

 

[Baron Samedi]

Agree Baloo.

This is clear & intangible.

Relationships are long forged as is trust. Clearly the players have a deep affection for their coach.

THAT can't be just traded in.

I agree ToO.

A big factor in our success.