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I reckon if we are willing to put our playing deficiencies with the Coach then we should also be willing to give him the credit for things that change and go right. Can't have it both ways, either he is in charge or he isn't .Colonel said:
He makes the calls Sin. No doubt. He is the head coach.Sintiger said:
But I think the 'review' sent some home truths to him.
I also think that Balme has has already had a major influence over the entire footy department. He might not set the game plans etc but he would have had a major influence on the structure of the football department and the required personnel.
Caracalla was a Balme appointment. Ball movement was a major weakness and he went and got the best person to help in that area. Early days but the results are already showing.
No doubt except there seems to be an assumption that Dimma was against all the moves over the pre season and he wasn't part of the new coaching appointments. There is actually nothing that has been said from the club or anybody else that states this is the case. You say Caracella was a Balme appointment and it may well be that Balmey chased him given their connection at Geelong but there is nothing to suggest that Dimma didn't support the appointment.Smoking Aces said:
My view is that in the absence of any other facts I assume he was part of it and if it goes well he deserves the praise and if it goes badly he gets the criticism. The reality is that if it goes badly it will probably cost him his job
Sintiger said:
there have been clear moves over the last couple of years towards us playing a faster style. we have recruited more running players. last year we shifted BEllis to the backline (for 3 quarters) then McIntosh. We played Short and Mrakov back. We played Grimes as the 3rd tall rather than Batchelor so we could play another runner. Obviously last year went to *smile*, but if we are successful this year playing a faster game it wont be purely cos of moves made this off-season.
Brodders17 said:
The club identified the urgent need to replace some of the retreads we felt necessary to resort to, with a dearth of apparent quality late picks when GC and GWS were grabbing all the high-end talent, from the 2014 draft. Following the devastating final loss to 9th placed Carlscum.
The need for speed and skill was manifested by selecting CEllis, Menadue, Drummond and Butler. Followed with Rioli and Markov in 2015, Bolton, Graham and Garfish in 2017 (plus rookie Stengle)
Dimma was there without Balmy and Caracella when it started, and for all of the re-shaping of the list. Just coincidental.
Sintiger said:
If he hadn't been recontracted before the start of last season it's highly unlikely he'd be there at all.
Colonel said:
What facts so you base that statement on? How do you know he's been "stripped of many of his powers"?
What were these mystical powers of which you speak?
Do.you have intimate knowledge of the delegation of authority from within the club?
What information can you share?
Or are you yet another know it all troll?
Not sure of the relevance of this post. He was recontracted and he is there and these things have happenedTigers of Old said:
Not sure about there being moves for us to play a faster style. Certainly players for a faster style were recruited but we haven't see it on the field as yet.Brodders17 said:
What is needed is a change in mindset and gameplan. We have the evidence of some preseason games and one practice match but signs are at least positive
My view on Dimma remains that if he does change the game style and the team is on an upwards trajectory he has a chance to coach in 2018. If we fail this year it won't matter what the game style is because he is finished. What I am very confident of is that if we play the 2016 style and game plan we will fail in 2017.
Sintiger said:
No way.
'upward trajectory' is enough for you?
The man got us to fifth, shat himself, got us back to fifth, shat himself again.
He is defensive to a fault.
So if we just improve on last year's placing he gets 2018 in your book?
No bloody way Sinners!
Two finals wins is what players, club and fans deserve for him to take our money again in 2018.
Minimum.
Baron Samedi said:
Agreed red. Willing to accept that last yr was an abberation. Lessons were learnt and measures have been put into place as a result of those learnings. That's fine.
However, the bar should be set high for 2017. A finals win should be the only thing that keeps Dimma in a job.
Colonel said:
lol. is that a serious post? please tell us how you have access to the inner sanctum and why you're willing to share this on social media?
Sintiger said:
who has assumed that? I would have thought all of these moves manifested from this so-called review.
Baron Samedi said:
good post. just because we might play a game style that is more friendly on the eye (that may result in a slight improvement in finishing position), doesn't mean he deserves to coach on next year. his papers should be stamped no matter what happens this year. Dimma will never take us to a flag. Now will he take us close to a flag.
Not professing to know it all, just what I have deduced from the happenings over the last year. I think it's fair to state that Dimma would not have a job if he was not prematurely re-signed at the beginning of last year. Instead of the board acknowledging their error and removing him they instead went for the next best alternative and removed a number of personnel that Hardwick had chosen to help deliver his master plan. They also introduced Neil Balme to oversee the footy department. Imo Caracalla was identified by the club as a bloke they wanted. As opposed to Hardwick identifying and hiring his own choice. There has also been clear direction coming from the club that we will be moving the footy faster and essentially the old gameplan is out. Caracalla has been instructed to focus on ball movement. IMO the club has removed a lot of areas that Hardwick previously controlled and given him a clear blueprint of what they want. I think they finally realise he is very limited in his ability to innovate, develop and adapt.doherz said:
Hey Baron read my post !!Baron Samedi said:
I said that's what I thought would happen not what I think should happen. I am in record as saying I would prefer he wasn't the coach as you well know.
If it was my call now I would want to see much more but given he is contracted in 2018 I suspect the bar is lower than I would want.
Just my opinion
Sintiger said:
not just recruiting tho. as i said we clearly made positional moves to try to bring more run from the backline.
Sintiger said:
Yeah fair enough Sin. If the club brings him back in 2018 on anything less than a PF berth the board needs a total cleanout.
