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[Little Ziggyadee]

2 first rounders for Taranto and a first rounder for Hopper that’s a big ask by GWS but I expect that’s just the start of negotiations

I expected that.
We shouldn’t expect to participate in this year's or have a 1st rounder next year.
Your getting 2 midfielders in there prime for free.
I'm rapt how the club has gone about this.
Loaded up on 5 kids last year, and now will bypass the draft to fill holes in our side.
This has 2016 written all over it again.
Imagine Prestia as our 3rd midfielder.
Good luck winning a centre clearance ball slappers. The ball will enter our forward 50 100 times a game.

 

[Little Ziggyadee]

Surely Kingsley is the cooler in these negotiations. Make it smoother for us.

These decisions would've been made before he rocked up.
If we don't hear Hopper come out in the next week to say he has chosen us.
We just need to concentrate in getting Tarranto and then find another Lambert
Florini at GC is on our radar too.
Things are beautiful at the moment.
Players willing to come to us and senior players setting an example Money isn't everything and resigning.
Good days ahead.

 

[Little Ziggyadee]

Surely there are a couple of fringe players Kingsley might wanna take with him? Longmuir took Aish with him for example. Amon will go to Carlton because he was coached by Voss at PA. Ratten brought in Hill who knew him from his Hawthorn days. I'm sure there are other examples of this.

Amon has gone to Hawthorn

 

[mad_tiggy911]

Where does Short fit in next year? We have Baker and Rioli down back and he’s uselsss in the midfield. We could have Cotch playing the Lablett role in 2023 also. I say he’s expendable.

 

[French Tiger]

Tarranto pick 12 & pick 19 2022
Hopper 1st rounder next year plus Soldo or Short.

19 is 1 off a 1srt rounder so basically what they are after if true.

Keep Short though.

 

[AngryAnt]

If we are able to snare both Hopper and Taranto, you'd think Kingsley will be wanting a midfielder as part of a trade. The question is who, who does he rate, who does he think has the scope to keep progressing?
Is RCD that player, or perhaps a Dow. I won't be surprised if one of them is part of the trade.

Our discards won't cut it. We'll have to give something good.

 

[tigerman]

Our discards won't cut it. We'll have to give something good.

I think you are probably right.
If Kingsley does think that either Dow or RCD has further scope he may won't to include them in a trade, as there's no guarantee that he can get either of them as a rookie.

 

[Redford]

Agree but thats why I said pick 19 might have to be the kicker to get the deal over the line.

So effectively we will give up Picks 13, 19 & next years first round pick for Taranto and Hopper.

I am sure we will get some later picks coming back our way. Maybe their pick 39.

Yes that’s the general ball park but it will go the other way where the tail end is concerned. If you’re bullish about making top 8 again next year, then 13, 20 and say 12 for finishing 7th again (hypothetically) then I’m not sure that gets it done for both Taranto and Hopper. Hence it might be an exchange deficit eg our 3rd round for their 4th round. Or whatever.

13, 20 and 12 for both Taranto and Hopper strikes as unders for GWS if you use your Cerra deal as a reference which got Freo 6 and a third rounder on its own.

In fact, if you do the Draft order points comparison, it’s WAY unders for GWS comparatively speaking.

 

[Little Ziggyadee]

19 is 1 off a 1srt rounder so basically what they are after if true.

Keep Short though.

And apprantly pick 19 is gold according to the recruitment teams.
1st pick in the 2nd round

 

[momentai]

To make this work for both GWS and ourselves we would need to take on the salary of the player who is moved on.
I think it will be Soldo who can be expected to improve rapidly as he gains strength following his recovery.
They are forced into letting these two go and won’t be dealing with Geelong. Neither player will pushed to a lesser club.

In Hopper, Tarranto and two later picks.
Out Soldo with his present salary until ‘24, plus picks 12 19 and 30.
(We could be aiming to pick up further draft picks with the trading of Fridge and Flapper).

 

[spook]

If we'd had pick 13 in 2016 instead of pick 6, the deal would have been Prestia for 13 straight swap. (Tom Mitchell was traded for pick 14 in the same trade period.) The deal had already pretty much been done when we expected our first-rounder to be in that 12-15 range. We got the second round upgrade as a concession for giving up 6.

Carlton overpaid for Cerra.

Taranto is comparable to Prestia. Let's leave aside that he's not as good and say he has a comparable trade value, i.e. pick 6 if we had it with a second round upgrade coming our way, or a pick in the 12-15 range. Oh, look. We have one of those.

Hopper is not as good as Taranto, Prestia or Mitchell. Let's say pick 19, which has consensus value greater than its sticker price due to being the first pick of the second night.

GWS has to get these deals done, they don't have the option of saying stuff you we're keeping them. We will be fair in that context, and point to the above examples as precedents of value.

I'd be offering pick 30 and/or a player in conjunction with next year's first as a conciliatory measure, in lieu of pick 12. Unlikely, but they might see the value in spreading their poultice of incoming picks over two drafts.

 

[Redford]

If we'd had pick 13 in 2016 instead of pick 6, the deal would have been Prestia for 13 straight swap. (Tom Mitchell was traded for pick 14 in the same trade period.) The deal had already pretty much been done when we expected our first-rounder to be in that 12-15 range. We got the second round upgrade as a concession for giving up 6.

Carlton overpaid for Cerra.

Taranto is comparable to Prestia. Let's leave aside that he's not as good and say he has a comparable trade value, i.e. pick 6 if we had it with a second round upgrade coming our way, or a pick in the 12-15 range. Oh, look. We have one of those.

Hopper is not as good as Taranto, Prestia or Mitchell. Let's say pick 19, which has consensus value greater than its sticker price due to being the first pick of the second night.

GWS has to get these deals done, they don't have the option of saying stuff you we're keeping them. We will be fair in that context, and point to the above examples as precedents of value.

I'd be offering pick 30 and/or a player in conjunction with next year's first as a conciliatory measure, in lieu of pick 12. Unlikely, but they might see the value in spreading their poultice of incoming picks over two drafts.

Didn’t we also give back a future (2017) 2nd rounder for Prestia as well ?

 

[spook]

Didn’t we also give back a future (2017) 2nd rounder for Prestia as well ?

Yeah, that was the upgrade. Pick 6 and our 2017 second (pick 38 in the end, we expected to return to finals so would have valued it in the 30s) for Prestia and pick 24.

 

[Teckor]

Would expect if Richmond was able to get both Hopper and Taranto it's quite likely to be a deal involving 3 or 4 clubs = other teams players/picks.

Richmond's picks 12 & 19 (2,216 points) + pick 30 (629 points) would be more valuable to a team like Brisbane than GWS, as they might need say 3,500+ points to bid on both f/s Ashcroft and Jaspa Fletcher. Brisbane only have 2,249 points or even less if they progress further in the finals.

 

[tigersnake]

If we'd had pick 13 in 2016 instead of pick 6, the deal would have been Prestia for 13 straight swap. (Tom Mitchell was traded for pick 14 in the same trade period.) The deal had already pretty much been done when we expected our first-rounder to be in that 12-15 range. We got the second round upgrade as a concession for giving up 6.

Carlton overpaid for Cerra.

Taranto is comparable to Prestia. Let's leave aside that he's not as good and say he has a comparable trade value, i.e. pick 6 if we had it with a second round upgrade coming our way, or a pick in the 12-15 range. Oh, look. We have one of those.

Hopper is not as good as Taranto, Prestia or Mitchell. Let's say pick 19, which has consensus value greater than its sticker price due to being the first pick of the second night.

GWS has to get these deals done, they don't have the option of saying stuff you we're keeping them. We will be fair in that context, and point to the above examples as precedents of value.

I'd be offering pick 30 and/or a player in conjunction with next year's first as a conciliatory measure, in lieu of pick 12. Unlikely, but they might see the value in spreading their poultice of incoming picks over two drafts.

You make a good case, yes Carlton overpaid for Cerra, but its still a reference. And then there is Sheil.

I agree TT is worth 6, but your sweetener scenario is a stretch IMO, could happen. Also reckon you're undervaluing JH, worth top 15 all day long. GWS would allow us to get a good deal on one, but not both. Another factor is that picks in these times of truncated covid junior development are worth a bit less.

 

[Baloo]

12, 19, next years 1st, stack and they throw this or next years second rounder (depending on what our recruiters prefer) back to us.

 

[Redford]

Yeah, that was the upgrade. Pick 6 and our 2017 second (pick 38 in the end, we expected to return to finals so would have valued it in the 30s) for Prestia and pick 24.

That’s being a bit Richmond sunny side. We bombed out in 2016 finishing 13th. Talk of the coach being sacked etc. GC would have had that future pick valued at better than 24, not less. Anyway, net sum game is that Prestia cost us at the time somewhere between 5.5 and 6.5 depending on your outlook.

You take that or the Cerra deal and suggestions of 13, 20, 12 (2023 hypothetical) being comparable don’t add up. It’s unders for GWS.

Get your ever bright, sunny Richmond wallet out tight arse.

 

[spook]

You make a good case, yes Carlton overpaid for Cerra, but its still a reference. And then there is Sheil.

I agree TT is worth 6, but your sweetener scenario is a stretch IMO, could happen. Also reckon you're undervaluing JH, worth top 15 all day long. GWS would allow us to get a good deal on one, but not both. Another factor is that picks in these times of truncated covid junior development are worth a bit less.

Shiel was a horrible deal by a basket case club, as was Treloar when he went to Collingwood along with pick 28, for pick 7, a future first and pick 65. We don't measure ourselves against desperate rabble.

My sweetener scenario is probably a stretch, I just really want Isaac Keeler in this draft.

Hopper is worth 15, yes. Pick 19 is worth a little more than 19 because whoever has it will field offers from multiple clubs for it. I'd do 19 and 30 for Hopper and 39.

 

[spook]

That’s being a bit Richmond sunny side. We bombed out in 2016 finishing 13th. Talk of the coach being sacked etc. GC would have had that future pick valued at better than 24, not less. Anyway, net sum game is that Prestia cost us at the time somewhere between 5.5 and 8 depending on your outlook.

You take that or the Cerra deal and suggestions of 13, 20, 12 (2023 hypothetical) being comparable don’t add up. It’s unders for GWS.

Get your ever bright, sunny Richmond wallet out tight arse.

We'd won 15 games in two of the previous three seasons, finishing half a game from top 4. We'd already brought in a ruckman and were bringing in a midfield clearance star. The coach, who was backed to the hilt by the board and CEO, declared straight after the season that we'd return to finals in 2017. No one with any knowledge of our list would have predicted us to go backwards in 2017.

I'm being logical and dealing in facts.

 

[tigersnake]

That’s being a bit Richmond sunny side. We bombed out in 2016 finishing 13th. Talk of the coach being sacked etc. GC would have had that future pick valued at better than 24, not less. Anyway, net sum game is that Prestia cost us at the time somewhere between 5.5 and 6.5 depending on your outlook.

yeah good point. Effectively, at the time, we paid pick 6 and a sweetener.