Welcome to the Tigers - Daniel Rioli

[zippadeee]

He is a genuine forward pocket. That's it.
My question is do you give away a first rounder for a foward pocket? His name did help him.
I like him, theres something there to work with.

 

[tigersnake]

Not sure why people think this. His problem was predictable pre-season: too small, too light, not strong enough to play there. He just gets caught and crunched. Cannot get a handball out, not strong enough. He is giving away about 10cm and 20kg to the average, modern, rugged mid. So what do you think happens when he goes in there?

Only a matter of time before he cops a serious injury. So this will develop him? Is a SF/wing until he builds a body for the game. Has some speed, so does every 2nd or third mid these days. Not the only guy to ever run under 3sec at draft camp!! They catch him.

Disagree. Strong beyond his development. Good moment in the last when outnumbered getting the ball out.

 

[Tigerfan]

A spell in the VFL won't hurt him

We could bring Castagna or Vlastuin

 

[jasonoska]

How old is he?

 

[leon]

Disagree. Strong beyond his development. Good moment in the last when outnumbered getting the ball out.

So one or a couple of good moments a match justify his continual selection week after week? Recent matches: Dan Rioli (last 3 matches = 7, 11, 6 possessions).

BTW, Short had 18 disposals today in first game back at top level. But, although recruited as a really good kicking SF, Short had to play down back again and was matched against the GC giant talls. Still attempted to spoil in marking contests although no hope.

Butler never given a game despite some earlier good matches; Castagna can also go forward. But the guy I'd like to see given some games, who similarly to Short and Castagna, can play either end is Cal Moore. Has a good future IMHO.

If only their surnames were different.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

A spell in the VFL won't hurt him

We could bring Castagna or Vlastuin

Or Markov. I think Flossy will replace Batch after the bye. Castagna for Rioli wouldn't be a bad thing. He's had a good taste.

 

[leon]

Not convinced about him. Seen plenty around here label him a star, even a star mid. Woah. Has to show an ability to get more than 6 or 7 possessions first. He's nowhere in the class of his uncle Cyril either who played a pivotal role in a premiership year 1. Doesn't have the same foot skills, game awareness or ability to keep his feet (big one he lacks). He has pace and is a good tackler so we build from there. But baby steps people.

I'm not critical of Dan so much as saying he is not ready for so much AFL exposure yet. Love his potential capabilities.

But really unfair to compare him with Maurice who was a mature and very experienced senior player at South Freo when we recruited him. This was posted much earlier on this thread I think. Dan is just out of schoolboy footy, an 18 year old kid.
Just needs time and development. Cyril was a similar build at the outset; now a ball of muscle.

 

[tigersnake]

So one or a couple of good moments a match justify his continual selection week after week? Recent matches: Dan Rioli (last 3 matches = 7, 11, 6 possessions).

BTW, Short had 18 disposals today in first game back at top level. But, although recruited as a really good kicking SF, Short had to play down back again and was matched against the GC giant talls. Still attempted to spoil in marking contests although no hope.

Butler never given a game despite some earlier good matches; Castagna can also go forward. But the guy I'd like to see given some games, who similarly to Short and Castagna, can play either end is Cal Moore. Has a good future IMHO.

If only their surnames were different.

Didn't say that. Was responding to the call that he's not strong enough. He needs to get stronger sure, like most first year players, but nothing wrong with his strength for where he's at. I wouldn't get angry if he was dropped, but happy to err on the side of playing him.

 

[Broders]

I'm a Callum Moore fan too Leon. Needs to bulk up a bit but is a good size and has a real dip at the footy. Doesn't mind flying for the odd hanger either.

I haven't seen a lot of him but what I have seen has been encouraging.

 

[Rancey18]

So one or a couple of good moments a match justify his continual selection week after week? Recent matches: Dan Rioli (last 3 matches = 7, 11, 6 possessions).

BTW, Short had 18 disposals today in first game back at top level. But, although recruited as a really good kicking SF, Short had to play down back again and was matched against the GC giant talls. Still attempted to spoil in marking contests although no hope.

Butler never given a game despite some earlier good matches; Castagna can also go forward. But the guy I'd like to see given some games, who similarly to Short and Castagna, can play either end is Cal Moore. Has a good future IMHO.

If only their surnames were different.

Dan Butler is nowhere near it imo. Doubt he'll be on the list next year.

 

[Panthera Tigris]

Not convinced about him. Seen plenty around here label him a star, even a star mid. Woah. Has to show an ability to get more than 6 or 7 possessions first. He's nowhere in the class of his uncle Cyril either who played a pivotal role in a premiership year 1. Doesn't have the same foot skills, game awareness or ability to keep his feet (big one he lacks). He has pace and is a good tackler so we build from there. But baby steps people.

I think he'll turn out very good with a few years of development in him. Showing more than Tambling did at the same stage and may well turn out to be the player Tambling was tipped to be. That is, speedy HF/F type whom spends short bursts in the midfield (this is what Hawthorn hoped for Cyril, but dodgy hammies have restricted him to a specialist fwd).

Obviously not there yet, way too light and hot and cold. But he is an 18yo kid. Only reason he is getting so much 1sts time, while showing hot and cold form is because we are sh!t and the depth cupboard is pretty bare. At a good club would only get 8-10 games max in his first season.

 

[leon]

Dan Butler is nowhere near it imo. Doubt he'll be on the list next year.

I did say when he played better earlier in the VFL season. Yes, hasn't been good lately, I know, but still a young player. I just mean I'd like to see us get some games into other young players on our list recruited for this SF role. Give Dan a rest now. If we are only expecting this few possessions in this role, because we keep playing Rioli, why not CMoore or Castagna again? Next game against Lions at the G is a perfect opportunity.

Put it another way, if you were one of these guys in the 2s, would you feel that if you had a more romantic name for RFC, you might get a go? And is that good for morale? Fair? Merit-based?

 

[leon]

I think he'll turn out very good with a few years of development in him. Showing more than Tambling did at the same stage and may well turn out to be the player Tambling was tipped to be. That is, speedy HF/F type whom spends short bursts in the midfield (this is what Hawthorn hoped for Cyril, but dodgy hammies have restricted him to a specialist fwd).

Obviously not there yet, way too light and hot and cold. But he is an 18yo kid. Only reason he is getting so much 1sts time, while showing hot and cold form is because we are sh!t and the depth cupboard is pretty bare. At a good club would only get 8-10 games max in his first season.

Mostly agree except re depth. It may be better than we think, because our VFL side is very average, but you might play better in a far better side - at AFL. Some other young talent should get some games too to develop: Castagna (was no worse that DR in his earlier games; Cal Moore has a promising future; Drummond later in season if progresses well, Short definitely).

Depth is developed by experience, across the range of your youngsters.

 

[Bullarto Tiger]

Keep playing him in the seniors unless he needs a bit of a rest from the intensity of AFL footy.

 

[leon]

Right, so this is the depth? The full extent of it? One small, skinny kid with a famous name. It's all about him?

The future is really so grim after all then.
The bulldogs had drafted about 15 kids who had run under 3secs at draft camp two years ago. Beveridge got games into many of them. Look at them now.
Or better still, watch what their young team will do when they play their brand of speedball against us in a few weeks.

Instead we fall for a romance about someone's famous uncle? He will be Maurice reincarnated in about 3 years time, so don't worry about a thing?

 

[tigers80]

This kid will be on a hiding to nothing with his name
I give it till next year before he is the trade table by some.
He ain't Maurice and he ain't Cyril and he might not amount to anything, but some
will delight in tearing him down. :

 

[22nd Man]

This kid will be on a hiding to nothing with his name
I give it till next year before he is the trade table by some.
He ain't Maurice and he ain't Cyril and he might not amount to anything, but some
will delight in tearing him down. :

Not about tearing him down. Just thinking we have seen enough for now and a spell in the twos now will be better for him than a string of 6 possie no goal games.

 

[Merveille]

Right, so this is the depth? The full extent of it? One small, skinny kid with a famous name. It's all about him?

The future is really so grim after all then.
The bulldogs had drafted about 15 kids who had run under 3secs at draft camp two years ago. Beveridge got games into many of them. Look at them now.
Or better still, watch what their young team will do when they play their brand of speedball against us in a few weeks.

Instead we fall for a romance about someone's famous uncle? He will be Maurice reincarnated in about 3 years time, so don't worry about a thing?

Pretty harsh , first year out of Juniors he is ok. Maybe should have been about pick 20-25 but he is ok..!

 

[tigersnake]

Right, so this is the depth? The full extent of it? One small, skinny kid with a famous name. It's all about him?

The future is really so grim after all then.
The bulldogs had drafted about 15 kids who had run under 3secs at draft camp two years ago. Beveridge got games into many of them. Look at them now.
Or better still, watch what their young team will do when they play their brand of speedball against us in a few weeks.

Instead we fall for a romance about someone's famous uncle? He will be Maurice reincarnated in about 3 years time, so don't worry about a thing?

Drawing a long bow there leon

 

[tigerdave]

Won't be long and he'll go BANG!!