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Umpire farce - Getting worse by the minute!
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Kill two birds with one rock ToOheys n go bald instead. Keeps ya from going grey where people can see it n saves ya shitloads of time n money on haircuts, shampoo n colouring in.
Thinking about this, it is not a *smile* rule change. If they wanted to change it they would remove "reasonable time" and replace it with "immediately". That way it becomes very simple - if you do not have prior you have to immediately attemtp to dispose of the ball. If you do have prior you have to immediately attempt to dispose of the ball. The only difference is you are penalised if you had prior and didn't dispose of it correctly. In all circumstances you have to immediately attemopt to get rid of the ball as soon as you are tackled. Everyone can understand what immediately is. It doesn't require interpreation. "Reasonable time" is so *smile* arbitrary.
I imagine you will find less players are injured in tackles because they won't try and fight them. They won't look for ioptions. They have to get rid of it immediately or at least attempt to. You may even end up with less congestion.
this is a mid-season knee jerk interpretation change that follows years of mid-season and week to week knee-jerk interpretation changes. The only difference is they have been very vocal about this one, normally they just do it and the AFL community works it out over the course of the weekends games.
Get informed B17. It's only immediately if you have prior, otherwise it's "reasonable time". Which is arbitrary. Just make it once tackled you have to immediately get rid of it. And then prior only matters if you don't dispose of it correctly. Prior and incorrect disposal is a free kick. Otherwise it's play on. I reckon the ball would be moved on a bit faster.
The rules on HTB state -
18.6.2 Free Kicks - Holding the Ball: Prior OpportunityWhere a Player in Possession of the Football has had Prior Opportunity, a field Umpire shallaward a Free Kick if that Player does not Correctly Dispose of the football immediately when they are Legally Tackled.
18.6.4 Free Kicks - Holding the Ball: No Genuine AttemptWhere a Player in Possession of the Football has not had Prior Opportunity, a field Umpireshall award a Free Kick if the Player is able to, but does not make a genuine attempt toCorrectly Dispose of the football within a reasonable time when Legally Tackled.
Apologies MD, your post wasn't as clear as it could be. I thought you were suggesting the rules state " reasonable time" both when prior does and does not exist.
I'll try to understand your future posts better.
Rupe and his crappy tabloid can regurgitate stats, not exactly a big claim to fame, but thanks for the info, not sure I can be bothered going to the local library to look at these every week and not sure which papers they get.
DS
Nah, you have to look at the stats. Geelong games have a very low average of 32.5 frees per game, so I reckon 22/10.
Let's see, Geelong are not doing well on frees, receive few (14 per game, similar to us) and give away a fair number (18 per game). Now, are we going to see the usual miracle of our opponents suddenly conceding way fewer frees when they play us? Has been happening for years now, we make teams play more within the rules, we should be rewarded for this!
DS
Everyone knows that it's a reasonably difficult game to umpire. You don't need a bloody constitutional lawyer or a King's Counsel to write the rules. They have made the game much more complicated than it needs to be. Simplify the game the way it used to be.
If you're caught holding the ball in a legal tackle and you had enough time/prior opportunity to get rid of the ball, it's holding the bloody ball !
If you're caught in possession by a legal tackle and the ball is locked in or you've had no reasonable opportunity to legally dispose of the ball, it's a bloody ball up !
If you lay on top of the ball to waste time or to allow your team to set up and you're being legally tackled and make no attempt, or you drag the ball back in, it's holding the bloody ball !
If you're tackled legally and the ball is knocked out in the tackle it's bloody play on !
If you're tackled legally and you drop the ball/illegally dispose of the ball then it's incorrect bloody disposal and a free kick !
FMD it's that simple !
It's ridiculous how many times, with FOUR umpires that they're caught out of position and have to scramble and run in wasting time to blow the whistle and make the wrong call. Dimma is right. Blow the whistle quickly so everyone knows that a fast game is a good game and keep things moving. It's infuriating when the umpire waits and waits and waits and eventually makes the wrong call. The whole crowd groans and the only people who agree with the decision are the ones who never actually played the game, the umpires.
There's one thing that really bugs me and it's when the tackler is the one actually holding the ball to the player with the ball or the tackler tries to pull the ball back under the player originally in possession. That should never be rewarded with holding the ball. Dan Rioli coped one of those earlier in the season and it was a shocking decision. The oppo actually put the ball back under him and was rewarded.
If you're caught holding the ball in a legal tackle and you had enough time/prior opportunity to get rid of the ball, it's holding the bloody ball !
If you're caught in possession by a legal tackle and the ball is locked in or you've had no reasonable opportunity to legally dispose of the ball, it's a bloody ball up !
If you lay on top of the ball to waste time or to allow your team to set up and you're being legally tackled and make no attempt, or you drag the ball back in, it's holding the bloody ball !
If you're tackled legally and the ball is knocked out in the tackle it's bloody play on !
If you're tackled legally and you drop the ball/illegally dispose of the ball then it's incorrect bloody disposal and a free kick !
FMD it's that simple !
It's ridiculous how many times, with FOUR umpires that they're caught out of position and have to scramble and run in wasting time to blow the whistle and make the wrong call. Dimma is right. Blow the whistle quickly so everyone knows that a fast game is a good game and keep things moving. It's infuriating when the umpire waits and waits and waits and eventually makes the wrong call. The whole crowd groans and the only people who agree with the decision are the ones who never actually played the game, the umpires.
There's one thing that really bugs me and it's when the tackler is the one actually holding the ball to the player with the ball or the tackler tries to pull the ball back under the player originally in possession. That should never be rewarded with holding the ball. Dan Rioli coped one of those earlier in the season and it was a shocking decision. The oppo actually put the ball back under him and was rewarded.
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And they’ll do it for a few weeks until the fuss dies down, and then revert to form.
Since the start of the 18 team comp, we average only -2.2 against the sooks at all grounds.
But for the two games we’ve played at GHB stadium, we’re -7 average (17-24).
Add to that we’re having our worst year for free kick differential since 2018, it could be another -10 differential game coming up.
Add to that the “new interpretation” factor, which never favours the tigers, it could blow out to -20 differential.
I reckon Redford might be on the money
The AFL wrote to Clubs yesterday following feedback over a few weeks regarding the interpretation of holding the ball and how it is being officiated. Does that mean we will be finally treated fairly on this particular point? I doubt it but look forward to Saturday to see what new interpretation is made up for the Tigers
What the!
www.theage.com.au
They the AFL are a secretive dodgy organisation - fancy no one knows this goes on.
‘Sanctity of the umpires has been questioned’
The AFL has defended a system that allows umpires to receive feedback through an earpiece during matches.
They the AFL are a secretive dodgy organisation - fancy no one knows this goes on.
“They cannot tell umpires what free kicks to pay, they cannot give them advice of what free kicks to pay,” McBurney told The Age.What the!
‘Sanctity of the umpires has been questioned’
The AFL has defended a system that allows umpires to receive feedback through an earpiece during matches.
They the AFL are a secretive dodgy organisation - fancy no one knows this goes on.
I call *smile* on this. They definitely told the on field umpires not to pay the time wasting 50 to Prestia against the Swans.
I’m surprised anyone’s surprised about this
