That would certainly make things interestingMini and Clarke are after Bolton and Baker take it to the bank. 7 and 8 for 3 and whatever else it takes to get done.
That would certainly make things interestingMini and Clarke are after Bolton and Baker take it to the bank. 7 and 8 for 3 and whatever else it takes to get done.
Yeah but West Coast have better parties.That's pretty much been on the table since first day of trade, only issue was Bakes wanting to go to Wet Coke rather than the Frockers.
Kinda weird when his chances at another flag run are available now at the Frockers whereas he'll be trying to help Wet Coke lift their raggedy arses out of the ditch n back onto the road for a few years before even considering finals.
I'll teach you bugs one day, far more satisfyingNo Blair rang me back . I don’t do bugs.
Facts again. Give it a rest ....Currently what do we have to offer for pick 3?
Oh yeah pick 1.
Great deal.
Yeah but West Coast have better parties.
Well, firstly it wasn’t addressed to you, so you might get it. But others seem not to, or as I said are being deliberately obtuse.We aren't missing it. We get the point, but we are allowing the rest of the trade period to play out and see what the big picture was. The trade period isn't about 1 trade but the accumulation.
Which has been queried.I get why people are asking why we didn't give up 51 and 61 instead of 32, but maybe there was a reason or 2.
Yes maybe. As I said before, there might well be something in it for us as well. Maybe. Otherwise we wasted a decent pick and overpaid in points. IMO.As I've noted on here a few times, those 2 picks 51 and 61 coupled together with GC's picks after 30, is pretty much enough to match at Pick 9 for Lombard.
I get the next question, well give 51 and 61 to Brisbane and 32 to GC later if that occurs. Again there are most likely reasons for this, perhaps Brisbane wanted a pick they could further trade down, whereas GC weren't too concerned as they would already have the picks they needed?
Which I have said numerous times.I get the critique, but you can't fully critique why things have occurred until after allowing everything to play out.
No they’re not.Those jumping the gun may well be the same people that jumped the gun and started slagging Dusty off when the media trotted out that he'd approached GC again about going there.
I’m getting into AI. There’s a few on here who need an upgradeI'll teach you bugs one day, far more satisfying
Well, firstly it wasn’t addressed to you, so you might get it. But others seem not to, or as I said are being deliberately obtuse.
Even going so far as to say anyone who wasn’t happy about that trade must believe Blair to be a moron.
And I’ve acknowledged that the true picture and any judgement should be done after all trades are done. Even on draft night.
But obviously people only read as much or what they want to read and ignore the rest.
Which has been queried.
But woe if anyone queries it. They then cop thr wrath of others who just go along with it. And start to get personal. Not so much to me, I couldn’t give a flying toss.
Yes maybe. As I said before, there might well be something in it for us as well. Maybe. Otherwise we wasted a decent pick and overpaid in points. IMO.
Which I have said numerous times.
No they’re not.
But as I said it’s those same posters who are criticising some who critique the one trade are the same calling out our woeful list management over the last few years, with no developing key forwards etc. and signing Sam Ryan for another three years. I even went and had a look at his thread.
But you get it and I get it. My original post you responded to, wasn’t directed at those that get it. But those posters who believe Blair is infallible.
Who believes he's infallible? Name the posters, can't think of any.Well, firstly it wasn’t addressed to you, so you might get it. But others seem not to, or as I said are being deliberately obtuse.
Even going so far as to say anyone who wasn’t happy about that trade must believe Blair to be a moron.
And I’ve acknowledged that the true picture and any judgement should be done after all trades are done. Even on draft night.
But obviously people only read as much or what they want to read and ignore the rest.
Which has been queried.
But woe if anyone queries it. They then cop thr wrath of others who just go along with it. And start to get personal. Not so much to me, I couldn’t give a flying toss.
Yes maybe. As I said before, there might well be something in it for us as well. Maybe. Otherwise we wasted a decent pick and overpaid in points. IMO.
Which I have said numerous times.
No they’re not.
But as I said it’s those same posters who are criticising some who critique the one trade are the same calling out our woeful list management over the last few years, with no developing key forwards etc. and signing Sam Ryan for another three years. I even went and had a look at his thread.
But you get it and I get it. My original post you responded to, wasn’t directed at those that get it. But those posters who believe Blair is infallible.
Hmmm. So saints picks 7 and 8 for WC pick 3Mini and Clarke are after Bolton and Baker take it to the bank. 7 and 8 for 3 and whatever else it takes to get done.
I'll go further, there were definitely reasons - and it wasn't because it was a disgusting trade or Blair got bent over. Whether they all pay off remains to be seen.I agree with most of that, but you may have commented for yourself, but there have certainly been posters on here, who didn't just "query" the use of 32 instead of 51 and 61 (which has been incorrectly stated by some as the same points value), but claimed that "Blair got reamed", "no reason to give up 32 when we had later picks" etc.
Thats not querying, thats openly stating that it was wrong. There "could" be a reason that we held onto those 2.
Anyway, lets see where we are at the end of trade period, see if Blair deserves a statue or the pitchforks.
You realise that vitriol, debate, anxiety, bias, criticism, argument and lies are inside PRE’s founding charter?This trading/drafting game is WAY too complicated.............
I leave it to the PRE experts
But I'm holding out hope that the initial 'Danjam' prediction of 4 October remains close/accurate:
1, 6, 9, 13, 18, 20, 21, 29
It will be interesting to see if 55+ pages of subsequent vitriol, debate, anxiety, bias, criticism and argument was worth it in the end
How about Barass to St Kilda for Pick 8 - then WC give 3, 8 and and their 2025 first rounder for Bolton and Baker. In the process St Kilda have shoved it up Hawthorn as well for taking Battle.Hmmm. So saints picks 7 and 8 for WC pick 3
Then picks 7 and 8 to us?
Not too simplistic at all it’s part of the art of negotiating. You know if you open negotiations the other side has you at a disvantage.Too simplistic. If they were going to be "disadvantaged" they wouldnt ask first. Any deal can be good for both parties because they each want different things.
Also, this is trade period, an artificial construct. Everyone is there to trade picks and players. It's not the same as me seeing a rare exotic car on your driveway and knocking on your door.
An ask in trade period might be "hey Richmond, you have spare picks and points we need, let us help you to upgrade those points you don't really need to a nice pick 20." "Sure, let's talk about that".
Who asked first becomes irrelevant once negotiations are in earnest. Do a deal or walk away, the logic remains.
The issue is Carlton paid a pick in a weaker draft (next years) whereas we paid a pick in supposedly a stronger draft so your market appraisal is incorrect.It seems strange to those that are bashing the pick that we had to pay a premium for it.
Carlton also traded for a pick in this years first round and paid a 2nd rounder to essentially pay the premium to get that pick. We also paid a 2nd rounder to get that pick. There seems to be a general consensus that there is a premium to be paid for getting Pick 20, Carlton set the same market as what we paid.
Lets see if any others are traded and what the premium paid was to obtain those picks.
FWIW this years draft is probably a bit different. Usually the highest premium is paid for top 5 picks, this year I'm not sure that will be the case, sure a premium will be paid, but its likely if someone is trading down this year its not due to the value of the offer, but more that there are mutual interests.
Not too simplistic at all it’s part of the art of negotiating. You know if you open negotiations the other side has you at a disvantage.
Once again incorrect eventually the more desperate party will open negotiations to get a deal. Read a few books on negotiation strategies they all say the same.If that was truly the case, no worldwide trade would ever occur
Once again incorrect eventually the more desperate party will open negotiations to get a deal. Read a few books on negotiation strategies they all say the same.
Fair enough mate. Bottom line is at least we’ve got another late 1st to show for it. It’s not all doom and gloom. Hopefully we can flick those other picks into something meaningful.I agree with most of that, but you may have commented for yourself, but there have certainly been posters on here, who didn't just "query" the use of 32 instead of 51 and 61 (which has been incorrectly stated by some as the same points value), but claimed that "Blair got reamed", "no reason to give up 32 when we had later picks" etc.
Thats not querying, thats openly stating that it was wrong. There "could" be a reason that we held onto those 2.
Anyway, lets see where we are at the end of trade period, see if Blair deserves a statue or the pitchforks.
100% you beat me to it.Your position appears to be Blair was wrong because maybe we could have got a better deal, but then those suggesting maybe he wasnt wrong because we couldnt get a better deal shouldnt comment because they are dealing in "maybes".