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Talking Politics
- Thread starter Legends of 2017
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mld said:
don't agree, the reason he was irritating is that he was pretending to be, or playing up to the unreconstructed union heavy stereotype. Totally unconvincing, didn't wash at all. He came across as a goose
Mighell doesn't play at being a union heavy - he is one. The electrical contracting and construction industries in Victoria have paid unnecessary fortunes as a result of Mighell's activities. I work as a lawyer and deal closely with the industry in WA, and have had a fair bit of contact - mainly indirectly - with his activities.
I actually met him at a seminar in Melbourne last year. He is a smart man, if very narrowly focussed. I think such dedicated participants in organisations like his are deeply flawed. The ETU in Victoria is a very militant and well-organised union. And Mighell is, unfortunately, a major reason for that.
I actually met him at a seminar in Melbourne last year. He is a smart man, if very narrowly focussed. I think such dedicated participants in organisations like his are deeply flawed. The ETU in Victoria is a very militant and well-organised union. And Mighell is, unfortunately, a major reason for that.
Hmm, he said he didn't agree and I said I didn't require his agreement. I can't see the problem. I can see where this is heading though, so perhaps if tigersnake or yourself (though I'm not sure how you are involved) want to discuss it further it should be by PM and not clutter the thread.
mld said:
Wasn't really THAT tough though, mld.
I think Rudd may have received more credibility if he expelled Mighell....but instead, insisted on his resignation.
Secondly, the ALP may make out they have acted tough on such union arrogance, however all this only came about because of the recordings....and I'm suire Mighell isn't alone in his shenanigans.
The ALP have aligned themselves with the unions, and thus, what you hear from Mighell, is exactly what the union-bosses and the ALP are agreeing upon....just a shame Mighell got recorded and they had to 'act'. :
who was slagging off mld?and who said anything about dictating? price alone dictates where you can AFFORD TO LIVE.and you should do it withen ones BUDGET.like generations before.yes public transport sucks.bracks promised the south morang train line over 7 years ago.where is it ?your idea on bussines relocteing is fantas tic.the state and federal guvvermints should be giving huge tax breaks for companies and bussiness to relocate.imagine if they had the foresight to set a huge acerage aside at the end of the pakenham bypass,and created a mini city ?mld said:
frog *smile*.inflated by whom.?? you have no idea mould.if SUBSECTIONS bought withen thier means and stopped whining then got on with the FACT that like previous generations that you have to start somewhere instead of expecting life served up as you want it .the market itself decides,if jo blow decides he wants a property in x suburb and is willing to pay x amount for it ,stiff *smile*.thats the beauty of a free market. if you cant afford it....tuff titties,aspire to get there.if you dont like it *smile* off and live in zimbawe..it should agree with you as the REGIME there will tell you where you can livemld said:
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ssstone said:
Free market - there is not a free market in Australia - everything is manipulated by Government or the those very large stakeholders in each market.
The US is the same - their markets are manipulated to suit those who run them.
Even the world money market which has billions of dollars coursing through its channels is manipulated by one or two individuals in New York and London. When are you going to take your blinkers off and see that there is no such thing as a free market - no matter what name you give to a market some stakeholder somewhere has the overall manipulation of it.
Free market what rot! Stop swallowing what is written in the conservative press and see who really controls what in each market in Australia.
ssstone said:frog sh!t.inflated by whom.?? you have no idea mould.if SUBSECTIONS bought withen thier means and stopped whining then got on with the FACT that like previous generations that you have to start somewhere instead of expecting life served up as you want it .the market itself decides,if jo blow decides he wants a property in x suburb and is willing to pay x amount for it ,stiff sh!t.thats the beauty of a free market. if you cant afford it....tuff titties,aspire to get there.if you dont like it *smile* off and live in zimbawe..it should agree with you as the REGIME there will tell you where you can livemld said:
I already explained the restrictions on supply that has inflated prices across the board in another post. You are the one telling people where to live and how they should spend their money. No use getting so heated over it.
ssstone said:
A) No need to check under the bed - for I understand that there are those who control various markets in Australia - like Telstra controls the Communications market - and Microsoft IBM and HP control the IT Market - and certain large Real Estate Agencies and Developers control the housing market - and until recently PBL controlled the TV market - and the big $ Clubs control the AFL.
B) I didn't mention John Howard in my post - he would like to think he controlled the financial markets and hence the economy but contol of those are a long way away from his baliwick.
What you ssstone always seem to do is say FREE Market FREE Market - its the only way - because free market forces always control the balance of the market - bull - because no matter what political philosophy you have in power the market is always controlled by its major stakeholder. And that stakeholder always manipulates the market to his/her own advantage.
The Liberals, a party for the wealthy, want the mega rich to control the markets so they can prosper and when they do prosper they trickle their wealth through the economy so everyone gets fed (that economic theory went out with Margret Thatcher) - the ALP wants the wealth distributed fairly with real competition controlling the market, so all can prosper.
Unfortunately both phiosophies have their flaws - the rich are constantly de-valueing the labour supplied by their workers and the workers de-value the need for a decent return on capital invested by the rich.
Never the twain shall meet.
But please ssstone don't sprook that Australia has Free Markets - for it never has had and never will...........
