jb03 said:
Normally I wouldn't mate.
But Latham has (did?) have some supporters on this forum on another thread, so I'm just giving these people a little "reminder", when they start supporting their next great white hope in Rudd.
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Normally I wouldn't mate.
But Latham has (did?) have some supporters on this forum on another thread, so I'm just giving these people a little "reminder", when they start supporting their next great white hope in Rudd.
Liverpool said:jb03 said:
Normally I wouldn't mate.
But Latham has (did?) have some supporters on this forum on another thread, so I'm just giving these people a little "reminder", when they start supporting their next great white hope in Rudd.
I think Rudd being slagged off by Latham is probably an endorsement. From memory I think Gillard was one of the few Latham had good words for.
Had to laugh at Abbott on the TV this morning....summed up a few things in one sentence....referring to the ALP as having a hard decision to make between a "proven failure" and a "potential disaster".... :hihi
I still think Rudd will get the gig though.... :-X
I still think Rudd will get the gig though.... :-X
Regarles of the result of the caucus in vote for leadership the Labs face a long time in the wilderness.
I am a non aligned voter and am neither Left wing nor right in persuasion i actually hate all politicians but surely from my perspective the reason why the Libs are pushing these IR laws and getting away with them which are without a doubt one of the biggest political changes along with GST amongst others in my lifetime, is quite simple and obvious.
The libs know damn well that Labour with all their usual in fighting and splits amongst union sector and in the party room have no appeal to many voters who view them without vision, direction or idea.
Remember one does not have to be the bestest, smartest or prettiest.
A persona of strength, direction and vision will clinch victory in politics most often than not and until Labour has a candidate the exudes these qualities the libs will continue to force their mandates through.
Labour must find a real leader who can control the caucus and until they have a leader that can control the caucus and the unions they wont do anything or achieve anything.
Sad fact is the nation is swimming in Labour state governments as opposed to Federal Coalition.
This shows me that the Libs experience the exact same stigma at state level which showed a week ago with the greatest do nothing, moronic government of all time returned for a 3rd term. What message should the Libs take from that!!!! They have no presence no face no appeal. The masses will always stay with the devil they know.
Same went in Qld where Beattie was bleeding to death coming into their election ( due to poor health system, transport, education and water) only to win comfrtably as the bannana benders realised they didnt really have much else to vote for.
Same goes in Federal politics, The Coalition is seen by many as the devil they know and as such the safer option as opposed to the unknown opposition with their in fighting unrest and lack of direction, potency, voice or presence.
This country as a whole in politics is devoid of choice, leaders, charisma, strength and direction, hence the governements at state and federal level just all sitting pretty.
I dont rate any of the lying two faced pork barrelling pigs thay all are.
I am a non aligned voter and am neither Left wing nor right in persuasion i actually hate all politicians but surely from my perspective the reason why the Libs are pushing these IR laws and getting away with them which are without a doubt one of the biggest political changes along with GST amongst others in my lifetime, is quite simple and obvious.
The libs know damn well that Labour with all their usual in fighting and splits amongst union sector and in the party room have no appeal to many voters who view them without vision, direction or idea.
Remember one does not have to be the bestest, smartest or prettiest.
A persona of strength, direction and vision will clinch victory in politics most often than not and until Labour has a candidate the exudes these qualities the libs will continue to force their mandates through.
Labour must find a real leader who can control the caucus and until they have a leader that can control the caucus and the unions they wont do anything or achieve anything.
Sad fact is the nation is swimming in Labour state governments as opposed to Federal Coalition.
This shows me that the Libs experience the exact same stigma at state level which showed a week ago with the greatest do nothing, moronic government of all time returned for a 3rd term. What message should the Libs take from that!!!! They have no presence no face no appeal. The masses will always stay with the devil they know.
Same went in Qld where Beattie was bleeding to death coming into their election ( due to poor health system, transport, education and water) only to win comfrtably as the bannana benders realised they didnt really have much else to vote for.
Same goes in Federal politics, The Coalition is seen by many as the devil they know and as such the safer option as opposed to the unknown opposition with their in fighting unrest and lack of direction, potency, voice or presence.
This country as a whole in politics is devoid of choice, leaders, charisma, strength and direction, hence the governements at state and federal level just all sitting pretty.
I dont rate any of the lying two faced pork barrelling pigs thay all are.
They got nothin MB .............. and they wont go anywhere until they get a leader, and i for one dont rate any of Beasley, Rudd, Macklin or Gillard.
And no i am not a righty Conservative either even tho it may come across that way, i am neutral and despise all politicians.
And no i am not a righty Conservative either even tho it may come across that way, i am neutral and despise all politicians.
Labor needs a Treasurer that the people can trust!
Notwithstanding the truth in what craig says above about a leader - Labor needs to show Australia it has the credentials to run the economy - it is the holy grail of conservative politics - they have a belief that they have a God given right to be the only political party that can run a successful economy.
And Australians believe them.
History shows that both sides of the house have had their success and failures in running the economy whilst in government - but for some reason Labor cannot sell their virtues in the economic area whereas the Liberals trumpet their sometimes ill-founded beliefs that any Australian economic success can be attributed to them.
Sell the mortgage belt that you can run the economy and you will win the election..........it is really that simple........
Notwithstanding the truth in what craig says above about a leader - Labor needs to show Australia it has the credentials to run the economy - it is the holy grail of conservative politics - they have a belief that they have a God given right to be the only political party that can run a successful economy.
And Australians believe them.
History shows that both sides of the house have had their success and failures in running the economy whilst in government - but for some reason Labor cannot sell their virtues in the economic area whereas the Liberals trumpet their sometimes ill-founded beliefs that any Australian economic success can be attributed to them.
Sell the mortgage belt that you can run the economy and you will win the election..........it is really that simple........
Well Andy, like Abbott, Rudd is openly religious. I should hope that his religious views don't influence his and Labour's political direction (impossible though that sounds).Anduril said:
My sympathies to Kim Beazley. His younger brother has died of a suspected heart attack in Perth. Kim was apparently told after the vote this morning.
What a horrible day for him.
What a horrible day for him.
Curtis E Bear said:
I don't think they would to the extent that that creep Abbott allows his religious views to swamp even his supposed liberal outlook. I despise the man and I don't know any woman who would be comfortable with him in the top job.
It will be interesting to see Rudd and Gillard lead the team. As much as I think Beazley is a good man, I do believe a change was much needed to give the Labor Party a better edge at the next election.
What makes it more interesting is that Gillard initially disliked Rudd as she believed he was'nt loyal to Crean. Also, the two were natural future leadership rivals. The irony is that both became part of the broad destabilisation movement against Beazley and now the rivals are joined at the hip as a "team".
Politics would have to be the dirtiest business.
What makes it more interesting is that Gillard initially disliked Rudd as she believed he was'nt loyal to Crean. Also, the two were natural future leadership rivals. The irony is that both became part of the broad destabilisation movement against Beazley and now the rivals are joined at the hip as a "team".
Politics would have to be the dirtiest business.
