Concur big time. Money grabbing industry including Seniors home care. . They are falling out of trees everywhere it is so profitable.
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Talking Politics
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I look after someone on the NDIS and the price gouging by some companies is criminal, I often have to shop for disability equipment and the price difference on the same item can be hundreds of dollars
Not sure all the workers get paid a pittance DS. I know a few who work directly under an ABN and are effectively paid by the person they provide care for. It includes assistance with shopping & outings & cleaning services. They say are getting paid well for what they are required to do.
The problem is the gov't will have to hire consultants to conduct audits on the providers. And will have to put together committees to oversee the program.
The biggest loser in Gov't funded schemes is usually the end user.
The NDIS is fantastic policy. But these programs always attract those seeking an opportunity to rort some $$$. I imagine there is always a certain amount of leakage budgeted for?
I think you are right in that they should be doing more in-house.
You answered your own question there!
Yes, they do need to conduct audits, how about not getting consultants in but using public servants to do the audits? All the while remove the need for audits by providing the services directly.
You are right about the end user is the biggest loser, some NDIS clients are treated very badly and the government is paying through the nose for this.
DS
There is a *smile* load of waste, we needed a ramp and the only way to get it was a 40 plus page report full of repeat questions at a cost of approx $2000. Now its obvious that a person in a wheelchair can't go up stairs so there is one area of saving. The OTs have their favorite builders and the quote to go up 2 stairs was $17000
i didn't go ahead with that and found a cheaper way for about $4000I would have to disagree. Yes some providers are dodgy, yes some are actively trying to rip people off, yes some staff are rubbish, but
just isnt true. and most clients do not get sub standard care. Most providers are not shonky. And most participants are better off under the NDIS than they were before it started.
As for returning services back to government control, I can only assume you never had experience with government run services? Some were good, some were not.
The system needs improving, but the media only focus on the negative.
As for Shorten, he is the only Minister in a long time who actually gives a *smile*.
A couple of comments
1. I agree, there is no way that government can take control of the services. There are good government services in lots of places but governments are better at running institutions as an example. There have always been shonky operators in community care but those are the ones we hear about. We will never see a headline "NDIS service operator does great job" in the media.
2. I have actually been to a couple of things where Bill Shorten has been related to the NDIS. He is a genuine listener and I agree I think he does actually care. But jeez its a hard job.
One of the things that people don't realise is that delays in getting people NDIS packages actually causes problems in hospitals. Hospitals are essentially like any other supply chain, if you have problems with getting people out at one end it causes bottlenecks at the other.
i think a lot of people dont understand who a lot of these unregistered provdiers are, and why other providers dont register with the NDIS, even Bill Shorten has been guilty of demonising unregistered providers, but I believe after meeting with people with a disability this week he has changed his tune a bit after they explained why they often choose (or need) to use unregistered providers.
The registration process is expensive and time consuming, mostly for little benefit to participants. Sole traders and small providers simply cannot afford to go through it, either financially or time wise. Others, such as allied health providers are registered through the own schemes. Many choose not to register with the NDIS for no gain. Other providers are places like Coles, KMart, sports stores and other shops when people buy a variety of legitimate items- forcing them to use registered providers will force them to pay more.
The NDIS sounds like it's in a real mess, as I have read that unregistered NDIS providers do not have to comply with with NDIS safety, quality and workforce regulations !!
Not all unregistered providers are doing the wrong thing, some in fact are cheaper eg we have a registered nurse for $55 per hour vs $98 ph so its a win
Sounds like you been reading to much media.
Can you explain how NDIS registration helps provide quality service to participants?
What I can say is, by all reports the NDIS is getting rorted by billions of dollars. There’d be a fair chance that those who are not registered are predominantly the ones who are stealing taxpayers money.
Having said that I am sure that there a lot of unregistered providers giving much needed care and assistance.
Off the subject of the NDIS but did anyone else watch the part 3 of Nemesis on Monday evening?
All the reasons why I disliked SCOMO so much just came flooding back. He never accepts responsibility for anything.
Standard answer when told of criticism is “ it is a fair point but ………”
All the reasons why I disliked SCOMO so much just came flooding back. He never accepts responsibility for anything.
Standard answer when told of criticism is “ it is a fair point but ………”
You are making 2 big claims- "billion of dollars" and "those who are not registered are predominantly the ones who are stealing taxpayers money." without any evidence, but based off "all reports".
Despite "all reports" I reckon you will find there is actually very little evidence of taxpayers money being stolen, and I reckon there is very little evidence that registered providers provide better support for participants.
And it *smile* me that certain parts of the media make these claims, with no evidence, and they get repeated.
As said Shorten probably goes close to perpetuating the claims at times.
Let's be honest, housing policy has been skewed towards benefiting those who can afford multiple houses:
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...uth-at-the-heart-of-australian-housing-policy
I know the neo-libs will criticise this for being empiricism, but, hey, I like a bit of factual data rather than internally consistent fantasies in my economics.
DS
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...uth-at-the-heart-of-australian-housing-policy
I know the neo-libs will criticise this for being empiricism, but, hey, I like a bit of factual data rather than internally consistent fantasies in my economics.
DS
Some of the registered providers are the most expensive of the lot, some of the invoicing is a joke
