Steve Morris F/S

[puregreen]

Because he put his hand up to play out the season last year (even though he couldn't actually put his hand up last year due to a stuffed shoulder) he obviously has so many credits in the bank that he can literally do stuff all out on the field and will still not get dropped!

Should have been put in for surgery last year and let McDonough play out the year. It's a wonder we managed to win the 9 games with the output he gave.

 

[Brodders17]

Go on tell us why Morris deserves to be an untouchable and in the leadership group ? :tumbleweed :tumbleweed :tumbleweed :tumbleweed

i doubt he is untouchable, and i dont know why he is in the leadership group. actually, i do. because the players and coaches voted him in.

perhaps they should have a members vote on the leadership group? :tumbleweed :tumbleweed :tumbleweed :tumbleweed

 

[Rosy]

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perhaps they should have a members vote on the leadership group? ...

The mind boggles

 

[jb03]

"Suicidal Chaos" ! C'mon snakey, it's not 1970's VFA. No one is scared specifically of another player in the AFL these days. My eyeball gauge tells me Morris has been borderline useless. You can argue he brings some sort of leadership that can't be judged by those out of the club but that is about it (IMO).

 

[Brodders17]

im not claiming he should be picked, but i dont think his defensive pressure is reflected in stats. he is the one who will sprint 30 metres to man the mark to stop the opposition playing on or moving the ball quickly. no stat but important. he is the one who will chase when he has no hope of catching his opponent because tho he wont get a tackle or pressure act stat it will make his opponent dispose of the ball with less time than he would otherwise. he is the one who will dive at a loose ball and stop the opposition get clean possession.
these things alone probably shouldnt get him a game, but at the moment our forward pressure is very good, the opposition are not being able to generate much drive from their backline. and im guessing Morris is playing a big part in that, despite it not necessarily showing up in the stats.

 

[tigerlove]

Poor argument to say Steve Morris is "average" at applying pressure. He's blatantly elite.

I'll have some of what you're having. Elite at applying pressure? He's elite at nothing. Only thing he is above average at is going missing completely for whole quarters and sometimes halves at a time. He should not be playing, we are play 3/4s of a player down because that's his maximum output. He gets shown out week in week out. Drop him and bring McDonough or Lloyd or dare I say it, Gordon in. Anyone is a better option. And it begs the ultimate question, how after last year's poor showing (admittedly partly due to his shoulder) how on earth did he get a 3 year contract? Plainly ridiculous. One year should have been the maximum. Who in the club is he well connected to?

 

[jb03]

im not claiming he should be picked, but i dont think his defensive pressure is reflected in stats. he is the one who will sprint 30 metres to man the mark to stop the opposition playing on or moving the ball quickly. no stat but important. he is the one who will chase when he has no hope of catching his opponent because tho he wont get a tackle or pressure act stat it will make his opponent dispose of the ball with less time than he would otherwise. he is the one who will dive at a loose ball and stop the opposition get clean possession.
these things alone probably shouldnt get him a game, but at the moment our forward pressure is very good, the opposition are not being able to generate much drive from their backline. and im guessing Morris is playing a big part in that, despite it not necessarily showing up in the stats.

He will eventually be dropped (regardless of the percentage of his stats that result in score involvements) without any discernible change in his performance. Tipping those arguing his merits will quickly support the club and Hardwick in that decision.

 

[ninjahaha]

He will eventually be dropped (regardless of the percentage of his stats that result in score involvements) without any discernible change in his performance. Tipping those arguing his merits will quickly support the club and Hardwick in that decision.

Who'd of thunk members that support the RFC would have more faith in the club than the experts on PRE?



Some of us can see what hardwick is trying to get from the experiment, just trying to point that out amongst the pages and pages of the obvious.

Tipping much of the angst is comming from the same who called for the heads of Jacko, sheds even Jack when he first started playing. Sometimes things take time.


Happy to give McBean time, happy to see the season unfolds.


Thinking and slagging wont bring us any closer to being a contender.

 

[tigertim]

Well, in the spirit of fairness I've re watched the first quarter and paid close attention to Steve, just to witness all these attributes many here are crediting him with.

I saw him involved on 4 occasions.

1: a pressure act on Hooker who fumbled and Dempsey took it OOB.
2: a turnover kick straight to Essendon.
3: he lead to Griff who's kick bounced in front of Steve and away from him.
4: a hurried kick off the ground.

Morris mainly ran, unopposed, between chb and CHF. He was often on the outskirts of the pack waiting, 20m off the pack or late to the pack.

I saw, apart from the harassing of Hooker, none of this "suicidal" , "manic" stuff many here are going on with. He didn't rush any Essendon player, he didn't scare or intimidate anyone. He didn't tackle anyone.

Now, Q2.

 

[tigersnake]

"Suicidal Chaos" ! C'mon snakey, it's not 1970's VFA. No one is scared specifically of another player in the AFL these days. My eyeball gauge tells me Morris has been borderline useless. You can argue he brings some sort of leadership that can't be judged by those out of the club but that is about it (IMO).

Bit of poetic licence, but he's on to opposition defenders with unwavering intensity. You can't teach it. I completely understand the other criticisms, but you can't criticise his attack.

 

[jb03]

Thinking and slagging wont bring us any closer to being a contender.

That's disappointing to know.

 

[tigersnake]

He will eventually be dropped (regardless of the percentage of his stats that result in score involvements) without any discernible change in his performance. Tipping those arguing his merits will quickly support the club and Hardwick in that decision.

I'm saying now I'm on the fence, probably leaning on the sceptical side. A few weeks ago I wanted him dropped. but I've consistently said and accepted he brings relentless pressure. Arguments about the merits of that, considering his other shortcomings, are fair enough. But you cannot argue he doesn't bring relentless pressure.

 

[ninjahaha]

Well, in the spirit of fairness I've re watched the first quarter and paid close attention to Steve, just to witness all these attributes many here are crediting him with.

I saw him involved on 4 occasions.

1: a pressure act on Hooker who fumbled and Dempsey took it OOB.
2: a turnover kick straight to Essendon.
3: he lead to Griff who's kick bounced in front of Steve and away from him.
4: a hurried kick off the ground.

Morris mainly ran, unopposed, between chb and CHF. He was often on the outskirts of the pack waiting, 20m off the pack or late to the pack.

I saw, apart from the harassing of Hooker, none of this "suicidal" , "manic" stuff many here are going on with. He didn't rush any Essendon player, he didn't scare or intimidate anyone. He didn't tackle anyone.

Now, Q2.

You can see it better at ground level at the game.

But good onya for having a look :fing32

 

[Brodders17]

He will eventually be dropped (regardless of the percentage of his stats that result in score involvements) without any discernible change in his performance. Tipping those arguing his merits will quickly support the club and Hardwick in that decision.

You didn't last long on the bandwagon.
I don't think anyone is saying he should be in the team. Some of us are just trying to bring some balance to the bagging frenzy that some on here like to engage in.

 

[tigertim]

Q2:
1: he ran through the opening bounce but missed the Essendon player with the ball (Heppell) who cleared.
2: chased but had no bearing on the Essendon disposal
3: as above
4; dragged the ball in a desperate act.
5: got tackled
6: ran and Harrassed Hurley then followed it up by chasing Watson who he tackled after Watson hand balled .

He had no stats for the quarter and around 4 pressure acts.

Of course the thing that strikes me is that almost EVERY player is doing what Morris is doing BUT they also actually get the ball...and far more often.

It's quite clear to me after watching these 2 quarters that anyone defending Steve aren't being fair dinkum. Why, I'm not sure.
I'll say it again. He did not hurry or rush or intimidate or scare the Essendon players.

 

[tigertim]

You didn't last long on the bandwagon.
I don't think anyone is saying he should be in the team. Some of us are just trying to bring some balance to the bagging frenzy that some on here like to engage in.

Well personally I think I'm being very balanced. I've used stats to quantify and re watched the game to double check my viewpoint.

 

[Tenacious]

You didn't last long on the bandwagon.
I don't think anyone is saying he should be in the team. Some of us are just trying to bring some balance to the bagging frenzy that some on here like to engage in.

Good on ya Brodders for trying to be rational.
I'd also prefer see a Lennon or McDonough or the like take his place and do a better job.
But that OTT bagging along the lines of "he's the worse (sic) player in history" type stuff is so OTT it's hard to respond with logic.

 

[Midsy]

but I've consistently said and accepted he brings relentless pressure.

No he doesn't. Anything but. He poses no threat and thus no pressure.

He runs around, pumping his arms, nodding his head, getting *smile* nowhere quickly, running past the ball/ball carrier, having absolutely no influence.

Two years ago he went ok. At the moment, he is close to worst footballer ever to don the jumper. And that's saying something, having watched 40+ years of the Tigers.

What the *smile* Hardwick is playing at, I have no idea.

 

[Barnzy]

No he doesn't. Anything but. He poses no threat and thus no pressure.

He runs around, pumping his arms, nodding his head, getting *smile*ing nowhere quickly, running past the ball/ball carrier, having absolutely no influence.

Two years ago he went ok. At the moment, he is close to worst footballer ever to don the jumper. And that's saying something, having watched 40+ years of the Tigers.

What the *smile* Hardwick is playing at, I have no idea.

Yep.

 

[TigerForce]

Pinball's doing fine as long as no opposition player tilts him.