i am amazed we can win a game with only 17 on the field most of the time. especially with a dud coach.
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Steve Morris F/S
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This discussion is going nowhere.
Apparently Morris is not to be gauged on simple possessions, nor is he to be gauged by goals kicked as a forward, nor is he to be gauged by the "2nd tier" stats like tackles, pressure acts, score assists etc, all of which is is either moderate or simply poor.
He is, apparently, to be gauged by some nebulous concepts of "intenisty", "pressure", " mental pressure", "inducing fear", "suicidal chaos" among other descriptors. No stats or figures to back these up, no stats or figures to say anyone else isn't ( or is) doing it better or worse.
And to infer that because we have won the last 3 games with Morris in the side is an indicator he is doing well.....there's no words to describe this logic.
The kool aid is being drunk.....
Apparently Morris is not to be gauged on simple possessions, nor is he to be gauged by goals kicked as a forward, nor is he to be gauged by the "2nd tier" stats like tackles, pressure acts, score assists etc, all of which is is either moderate or simply poor.
He is, apparently, to be gauged by some nebulous concepts of "intenisty", "pressure", " mental pressure", "inducing fear", "suicidal chaos" among other descriptors. No stats or figures to back these up, no stats or figures to say anyone else isn't ( or is) doing it better or worse.
And to infer that because we have won the last 3 games with Morris in the side is an indicator he is doing well.....there's no words to describe this logic.
The kool aid is being drunk.....
Barnzy said:
All fair enough. Like I said, I'm on the fence. All the other aspects of the arguments against are fine by me, my only beef was people suggesting his high level of pressure is a myth. It isn't, its very real. Pretty gutsy coaching move, right or wrong, to stick with it too.
tigertim said:
The old eyeballs guage, thats what.
ps, dunno if 'elite' is the right word, 'crazy' maybe?
tigertim said:
There are words to describe that logic - straw man argument. Because that's not what people are saying.
Players can be good at something without it standing out on the stats sheet. I would have thought Steve's pressure was one of the more indisputable factors, but I guess some think he's pretty average at applying pressure. Of course I can't support my argument that his influence is not reflected in the stats by providing you with stats.
One example might be when Brandon Ellis had a scoring shot as a direct result of Steve's high intensity chase. It doesn't get marked as a score assist and may not have even been registered as a pressure act. But it led to a shot on goal for us instead of a slingshot to them. And Ben Lennon is watching on TV thinking "I've simply got to train harder so I can chase harder to get a game". He doesn't have a choice.
tigertim said:
Thats OK, happens all the time.
To eyeball = to see, look. As in 'I'd like to eyeball that car before I buy it'. The gauge is, I've seen Morris's suicidal chaotic chasing and haranguing of the opposition with my own eyeballs.
Straw man? Please, it is NOT straw man to ask by what measurements one is gauged by.Chimptastic said:
And in regards to the "Ben Lennons" I would've thought they'd be watching Morris and thinking...."so, he gets a game by averaging 6 possies a week, 0.3 goals, an average amount of 1%ers....and when I get better figures than that I get dropped".
tigertim said:
?? You either aren't reading or not comprehending the various posts opposing your view.
tigertim said:
"And to infer that because we have won the last 3 games with Morris in the side is an indicator he is doing well.....there's no words to describe this logic"
That is a straw man because 'team wins = he's doing well' is not the reasoning people are putting forward. You correctly took down a slightly different argument, which is the definition of a straw man. I used that term because I found it funny how you said there's no words to describe this logic and then there was a word to describe it... it's just a bit of fun, each to his own
I can understand the club playing young players to get experience that don't contribute so much to the game ,
but cant get A SENIOR player getting 6 posessions in a game holding out a Mcdonough or even Lennon getting a senior game.
Apparently he is a really top bloke and we need good quality people at the club but enough is enough for me.
but cant get A SENIOR player getting 6 posessions in a game holding out a Mcdonough or even Lennon getting a senior game.
Apparently he is a really top bloke and we need good quality people at the club but enough is enough for me.
lamb22 said:
Somehow some one thinks Morris is leadership material :rofl
:rofl and is in the leadership groupLeadership group = NEVER!!! to be dropped
Leadership group is Morris, Cotchin, Chaplin, Maric & Deledio should be Rance, Riewoldt, Maric, Cotchin & Deledio
How the *smile* Morris & Chaplin are in the leadership group is mind boggling :crazy :crazy :brickwall
btoz_01 said:
How the *smile* someone who sits on their bum and watches games either on TV, or from the stands think they know better than the playing group and coaches who should be in the leadership group is mind boggling :crazy :crazy :brickwall
tigertim said:
The question was asked what you can see at games that may not show on TV.
You can at ground level gauge "intenisty", "pressure", " mental pressure", "inducing fear", "suicidal chaos"
The analogy I like to use is...
People watching the olympic high diving on TV. They start commenting on splash and degrees of difficulty. This is a good dive, that is a poor dive, a 3, a 7, definitely a 10!
Ever stood on the edge of the high platform and looked down the water. If not try it one day.
