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Should Daniel Rioli be given the number 17 this year?

Should Daniel Rioli be given the number 17 this year?


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hutstar said:
Tommy Roach. I don't think the logic is the same (ie: Rioli looks to be a player, not sure that Roach ever did) but I see no benefit other than some temporary marketing buzz in giving a player their legendary forefather's number.
I like kids having to earn the low numbers because it makes it clear; they have to prove themselves, no matter who they are or what they have done to this point. I don't want to overstate it, but what message does this send? It isn't a good look IMO, though it won't matter if the kid keeps his head down and does well.
Didn't seem to trouble cotch, jack, sheds, rance or lids who got low numbers from the day they walked in the door.
 
Platinum member said:
Didn't seem to trouble cotch, jack, sheds, rance or lids who got low numbers from the day they walked in the door.
At the time those guys came in, the low numbers thing wasn't policy. Now it is. Consistency.
 
hutstar said:
At the time those guys came in, the low numbers thing wasn't policy. Now it is. Consistency.

Todd Banfield came in and got 22 up front. Not sure any of us understand the policy.
 
WesternTiger said:
Todd Banfield came in and got 22 up front. Not sure any of us understand the policy.

I am not endorsing the rule, but if it exists, don't make exceptions.

The marketing department invents a tradition where the captain wears 17. Cotchin didn't want 17 and it made him look disrespectful.
Young blokes won't get low numbers, then a kid with roughly the right bloodline comes along and gets the captains number. It plants the Golden Boy tag on him from day 1.

Here's a good rule for the club: stop inventing traditions unless you intend to stick to them. You will make fools of yourselves and the players otherwise.
 
hutstar said:
I am not endorsing the rule, but if it exists, don't make exceptions.

The marketing department invents a tradition where the captain wears 17. Cotchin didn't want 17 and it made him look disrespectful.
Young blokes won't get low numbers, then a kid with roughly the right bloodline comes along and gets the captains number. It plants the Golden Boy tag on him from day 1.

Here's a good rule for the club: stop inventing traditions unless you intend to stick to them. You will make fools of yourselves and the players otherwise.
Just to repeat, it wasn't a rule nor policy as such, but rather a Dimma thought bubble that since uttering he has appeared to move away from being "hard and fast" on, to being more selective.
Not a bad thing.
And it's just not all his call either btw.
Supporters will recall the public outcry when then coach Danny Frawley gave the revered # 17 to the reviled Paul Hudson, which graphically highlighted how little Frawley knew of the club, and player, history.
Since then, rather than just the coach, I'm sure there would have been various people having input into the numbers to ensure another slip-up like that didn't happen.
Or even better, give supporters something to get excited about, by joining some our our brightest memories from the past with one of our brightest hopes for the future.
Or something like that...
 
pumped said:
And the song, doesn't effect me either way..

Good onya. Not sure why you bother quoting me to tell me that. I don't really care what affects you or not.
 
Sounds like he asked his folks if he could wear the jumper so he wanted to wear it.

Could this thread close before we all hate each other.
 
rosy23 said:
Good onya. Not sure why you bother quoting me to tell me that. I don't really care what affects you or not.

why bother quoting me then ?

I tells ya , I care less than even you .. I could barrack for Collingwood that's how little I care. :p
 
17 said:
Just to repeat, it wasn't a rule nor policy as such, but rather a Dimma thought bubble that since uttering he has appeared to move away from being "hard and fast" on, to being more selective.
Not a bad thing.
And it's just not all his call either btw.
Supporters will recall the public outcry when then coach Danny Frawley gave the revered # 17 to the reviled Paul Hudson, which graphically highlighted how little Frawley knew of the club, and player, history.
Since then, rather than just the coach, I'm sure there would have been various people having input into the numbers to ensure another slip-up like that didn't happen.
Or even better, give supporters something to get excited about, by joining some our our brightest memories from the past with one of our brightest hopes for the future.
Or something like that...
The public outcry over Paul Hudson wearing 17 started after Caroline Wilson wrote an article that was very scathing of the move. She pointed out that previously the number had been worn by the likes of Jack Dyer, Maurice Rioli and Paul Broderick (who everyone here seems to have forgotten), then the push for the number to be given to the captain started, I was in favour of it at first, but it was probably a gimmicky move in hindsight. Does anyone know if Jack Dyer Jr wore the number in his 3 games for the club?
 
CarnTheTiges said:
The public outcry over Paul Hudson wearing 17 started after Caroline Wilson wrote an article that was very scathing of the move. She pointed out that previously the number had been worn by the likes of Jack Dyer, Maurice Rioli and Paul Broderick (who everyone here seems to have forgotten), then the push for the number to be given to the captain started, I was in favour of it at first, but it was probably a gimmicky move in hindsight. Does anyone know if Jack Dyer Jr wore the number in his 3 games for the club?

He did.

17 Maguire, Mick 39 (15-1-23) 1910-1912
17 Ellingsen, Percy 6 (1-0-5) 1912
17 Collopy, Will 1 (1-0-0) 1916
17 Don, Donald 158 (94-2-62) 1917-1928
17 Dunne, Tom 21 (13-0-8) 1929-1931
17 Dyer, Jack 312 (206-4-102) 1931-1949
17 Clarke, Fred 21 (8-0-13) 1951-1953
17 Dummett, Bob 77 (35-0-42) 1954-1961
17 Dyer, Jack 3 (0-0-3) 1960
17 McMillan, Brian 22 (4-0-18) 1962-1964
17 Richardson, Barry 125 (88-1-36) 1965-1974
17 Edwards, Allan 66 (34-2-30) 1975-1979
17 Rioli, Maurice 118 (48-0-70) 1982-1987
17 Smith, Craig 72 (18-0-54) 1986-1987, 1989-1993
17 Broderick, Paul 169 (92-1-76) 1994-2001
17 Hudson, Paul 3 (0-0-3) 2002
17 Johnson, Kane 116 (39-2-75) 2003-2008
 
TigerForce said:
He did.

17 Maguire, Mick 39 (15-1-23) 1910-1912
17 Ellingsen, Percy 6 (1-0-5) 1912
17 Collopy, Will 1 (1-0-0) 1916
17 Don, Donald 158 (94-2-62) 1917-1928
17 Dunne, Tom 21 (13-0-8) 1929-1931
17 Dyer, Jack 312 (206-4-102) 1931-1949
17 Clarke, Fred 21 (8-0-13) 1951-1953
17 Dummett, Bob 77 (35-0-42) 1954-1961
17 Dyer, Jack 3 (0-0-3) 1960
17 McMillan, Brian 22 (4-0-18) 1962-1964
17 Richardson, Barry 125 (88-1-36) 1965-1974
17 Edwards, Allan 66 (34-2-30) 1975-1979
17 Rioli, Maurice 118 (48-0-70) 1982-1987
17 Smith, Craig 72 (18-0-54) 1986-1987, 1989-1993
17 Broderick, Paul 169 (92-1-76) 1994-2001
17 Hudson, Paul 3 (0-0-3) 2002
17 Johnson, Kane 116 (39-2-75) 2003-2008
Allan Edwards, there's a name I haven't seen or thought about for many years. As a kid I always thought he was going to be super special, but injuries hit him and he wound up being traded to Vic Park and finished up with the Bulldogs.
 
CarnTheTiges said:
Allan Edwards, there's a name I haven't seen or thought about for many years. As a kid I always thought he was going to be super special, but injuries hit him and he wound up being traded to Vic Park and finished up with the Bulldogs.

Worn well from Richo to Brodders in recent history.
 
TigerForce said:
He did.

17 Maguire, Mick 39 (15-1-23) 1910-1912
17 Ellingsen, Percy 6 (1-0-5) 1912
17 Collopy, Will 1 (1-0-0) 1916
17 Don, Donald 158 (94-2-62) 1917-1928
17 Dunne, Tom 21 (13-0-8) 1929-1931
17 Dyer, Jack 312 (206-4-102) 1931-1949
17 Clarke, Fred 21 (8-0-13) 1951-1953
17 Dummett, Bob 77 (35-0-42) 1954-1961
17 Dyer, Jack 3 (0-0-3) 1960
17 McMillan, Brian 22 (4-0-18) 1962-1964
17 Richardson, Barry 125 (88-1-36) 1965-1974
17 Edwards, Allan 66 (34-2-30) 1975-1979
17 Rioli, Maurice 118 (48-0-70) 1982-1987
17 Smith, Craig 72 (18-0-54) 1986-1987, 1989-1993
17 Broderick, Paul 169 (92-1-76) 1994-2001
17 Hudson, Paul 3 (0-0-3) 2002
17 Johnson, Kane 116 (39-2-75) 2003-2008

The pressure of wearing the number must have got to him.
 
jb03 said:
The pressure of wearing the number must have got to him.
I think the pressure of being Jack's son was what got to him. I think he's gone on record as saying his heart was never in it.