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Rich Vs Adel (March 11th, 2011)-Teams [Merged]
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Tigerbob said:
Disagree, Dimma was a mistake, should have hired Sheedy when we had a chance.
Sheeds would have given the boys a roasting until the paint peeled off the walls, then made them all run a 100 X 100 meter sprints at training at Monday, that would have solved our problems. Then he would have recruited David Calthorpe out of retirement to add the edge of hardness of our team needs
Col.W.Kurtz said:
Yeah, I don't get the Hardwick bashing either. I am more then happy with the direction we are taking. Most of the issues relate to the players Dimma started with, not whom has come in and learned the game his way. Just play the kids and I am happy to suck it up and see what happens. Want another 8-10 changes to the list at years end. And moving on older players while the still have currency. Picks, picks more picks.
what about the guys who didn't play?
Moore
Hislop
o'Reilly
Webberley
Gourdis
farmer
Nason
Browne
Griffiths
Taylor
Westhoff
Contin
Hicks
Jakobi
McDonald
they went fishing? golf? ran laps?
Moore
Hislop
o'Reilly
Webberley
Gourdis
farmer
Nason
Browne
Griffiths
Taylor
Westhoff
Contin
Hicks
Jakobi
McDonald
they went fishing? golf? ran laps?
OK on the positive side this is what i took away from the game.
Adelaide went at the game 100%. Richmond went at about 75%. I'm hoping they were told to play and not get hurt.
We played pretty much a zone all day. No man on man stuff at all that i could see. Definately stuck to one style of play. Although it didnt work i would guess that in a proper game this wouldnt happen.
Jack got his first run and went for a few speccys that with a bit more touch he would have taken.
Post presented well in the forward line and kicked a lovely goal from about 50m
Astbury was tried in the back line in the 1st half and then in the 2nd half went into the forward line.
At no stage were Newman and Lids on the ground at the same time.
Conca played a half and then Batchelor played the second half
Helbig showed good signs of a tough and skilled player on both sides of his body.
Jackson started at half forward a lot during the match with our midfield being Martin, Grigg, Foley and Graham.
Foley.. So good good to see him showing his typical dash
Houli delivered some fantastic kicks to teammates and although he copped a roasting by some for being soft i just think its not his role to crash and bang. he was recruited as an outside player.
I'm not sure why people are going so overboard with the "lets sack the coach" stuff.
They were obviously still trying things. Our backline on Friday was mainly kids, except for Thursfield and McGuane and he did some nice things. Others rotating through there were Rance, Dae, Batchelor, Conca, Astbury and White with cameos from Lids, Conners and Newman.
We have a good midfield and even though Gus was playing poorly, or maybe looking after himself, we did get a few clearances.
SO for me even though we got pumped it was plain to see our backline needs work and Dimma is still trying different things.
There were negatives but hey i'm a brightsider and lifes to short to be a negative old git and cry into my porridge.
Adelaide went at the game 100%. Richmond went at about 75%. I'm hoping they were told to play and not get hurt.
We played pretty much a zone all day. No man on man stuff at all that i could see. Definately stuck to one style of play. Although it didnt work i would guess that in a proper game this wouldnt happen.
Jack got his first run and went for a few speccys that with a bit more touch he would have taken.
Post presented well in the forward line and kicked a lovely goal from about 50m
Astbury was tried in the back line in the 1st half and then in the 2nd half went into the forward line.
At no stage were Newman and Lids on the ground at the same time.
Conca played a half and then Batchelor played the second half
Helbig showed good signs of a tough and skilled player on both sides of his body.
Jackson started at half forward a lot during the match with our midfield being Martin, Grigg, Foley and Graham.
Foley.. So good good to see him showing his typical dash
Houli delivered some fantastic kicks to teammates and although he copped a roasting by some for being soft i just think its not his role to crash and bang. he was recruited as an outside player.
I'm not sure why people are going so overboard with the "lets sack the coach" stuff.
They were obviously still trying things. Our backline on Friday was mainly kids, except for Thursfield and McGuane and he did some nice things. Others rotating through there were Rance, Dae, Batchelor, Conca, Astbury and White with cameos from Lids, Conners and Newman.
We have a good midfield and even though Gus was playing poorly, or maybe looking after himself, we did get a few clearances.
SO for me even though we got pumped it was plain to see our backline needs work and Dimma is still trying different things.
There were negatives but hey i'm a brightsider and lifes to short to be a negative old git and cry into my porridge.
Not at all displeased with where the club is at (despite this result) because i have not underestimated the task at hand. As others have indicated, there is still a mountain of work ahead for the football club in all spheres of activity before we can once again claim to be the power we once were. No magic potion. No short-lived success based on the hype surrounding the return of a prodigal son. Just bloody hard work.
Let's all understand that we have a young group and that youth is prone to inconsistency.
Moreover, for people to be questioning the methods of a coach who has experienced the ultimate success at three different clubs, who in 1 yr in the job has made significant inroads in a playing list that all and sundry had acknowledged was poor, and who has established a wonderful rapport amongst a young, united, talented but obviously inexperienced group.......is laughable!
Do people actually think we were trying to win a game with no points attached to it - particularly when the game was being played at the HQ of the arch enemy who we coincidentally play in a couple of weeks. Let's not lose sight of the fact that it was a trial game. I think Dimma may have been upset because a few things didn't work in the way that he perhaps expected and/or hoped.....but not at the result.
Not saying we coulda, shoulda or woulda won.....just that i really don't think it was a priority.
Effort is an issue and i hope that this gets addressed......may be the reason Dimma was fuming.
Have already heard that the stoned crows had by far more bench rotations than us (which may explain the last quarter) but i'm also keen to know whether anyone who saw the game can confirm whether or not the sub rule was used in the same way as it is going to be used in the season proper?
Let's all understand that we have a young group and that youth is prone to inconsistency.
Moreover, for people to be questioning the methods of a coach who has experienced the ultimate success at three different clubs, who in 1 yr in the job has made significant inroads in a playing list that all and sundry had acknowledged was poor, and who has established a wonderful rapport amongst a young, united, talented but obviously inexperienced group.......is laughable!
Do people actually think we were trying to win a game with no points attached to it - particularly when the game was being played at the HQ of the arch enemy who we coincidentally play in a couple of weeks. Let's not lose sight of the fact that it was a trial game. I think Dimma may have been upset because a few things didn't work in the way that he perhaps expected and/or hoped.....but not at the result.
Not saying we coulda, shoulda or woulda won.....just that i really don't think it was a priority.
Effort is an issue and i hope that this gets addressed......may be the reason Dimma was fuming.
Have already heard that the stoned crows had by far more bench rotations than us (which may explain the last quarter) but i'm also keen to know whether anyone who saw the game can confirm whether or not the sub rule was used in the same way as it is going to be used in the season proper?
SCOOP said:
Yep, you can’t say “play the kids” unless you are prepared to accept the results that come with it. Rebuilding is hard, and ugly. This quote of Beavis’s last week really resonated with me:
Went to the game, finally got a chance to give my take on everyone who played.
Chris Newman - Started somewhat slowly but really got going as the match progressed. Remember him delivering a brilliant pass to Posty at one stage who goaled from memory. Didn't get as much of it as usual, but it was his first game back, he'll be better again in Round 1.
Brett Deledio - Was ok. A lot of his touches were all class, but he didn't really impact the game in any way. Was used for kickouts a lot but our strategy when doing so is *smile* poor, so often he just had to bomb to a contest. Not his fault. Was very good in aerial contests I thought, always finding a way to get a fist in.
Dustin Martin - Was one of our very best I thought. Was one of the few who was able to win his fair share of clearances for us, and some of his long kicks off half-back were brilliant and really set up the play. Did notice he wasn't successfully fending off opponents as what he was last year, but nonetheless he was very, very good. He also went forward at one stage and took a strong overhead mark on the lead....a facet of his game I didn't know he had.
Shaun Grigg - Gave us a bit of good and bad. Racked up the ball with ease which was a great sign, including plenty of in and under stuff which is great. Has a super boot on him and competes very well in the air too. On the other hand though, noticed he was kicking some bad floaters from time to time. The good outweighed the bad but he might have something to work on with his kicking at full pace.
Jack Riewoldt - Thought he was fantastic for a guy playing his first game of the year. Didn't really impact the scoreboard individually, but his efforts and hard work when the ball actually was down our end was great to see. Certainly hasn't lost his huge leap which almost saw him bring down a couple of screamers. Goal kicking accuracy is still sublime as well. He will be every bit as good this year as he was last year. Bookmark it.
Shane Edwards - I was a fan of his last season, but he has been, to put it bluntly, terrible this pre-season. Is ok defensively, but his kicking has been atrocious this pre-season, and Friday was no different. I was always taught to treat each possession with respect but I think Edwards can be lazy with his disposal and not really concentrate when he is disposing of the footy. I wouldn't have him in my round 1 side which says a lot about his pre-season.
David Astbury - Was comprehensively beaten by Taylor Walker early on. The ball was down in Adelaide's 50 a fair bit, but David couldn’t even compete, Walker was out marking him every single time. Wasn’t too bad when he got the ball himself, but I think he is a year off holding down a KP spot, just not ready to play on the big boys yet.
Bachar Houli – A lot smaller than I thought he’d be, but I thought he was very good. He would already be one of the best kickers at the club, his left foot is Newman like. Also saw him get in and under a few times too, showing that he doesn’t just need the pill fed to him all the day. He is going to be a very handy player for us this year I reckon. Riewoldt is going to love the delivery he gets from this bloke.
Luke McGuane – Hasn’t changed as a player, for better or worse. Still a fantastic one on one defender and really shut Walker down for 2 quarters before Walker got hot again in the last. He might be our best 1 on 1 defender I reckon. However, his skills and decision making are still very poor when he’s got the footy. He’s better off just banging it 60m down the ground than actually trying to hit up a short target I reckon.
Alex Rance – I think he is getting better. Still makes some questionable decisions but they aren’t as prevalent as they used to be. Absolutely love his physicality and the way he takes the game on, I think he will eventually become a good player for us down back.
Daniel Connors – Think he might have been hurt in the warm up??
Mitch Morton – Liked his game. I’m still unsure as to where his best position is, maybe he can be used wherever he is needed in any given game, as he can play both a midfield role or forward role very well. Worked hard up and down the wing and provided a target up forward when he was there.
Daniel Jackson – Think he has to be used as a tagger and that’s probably it. Footskills aren’t up to scratch, although he has only played 2 games in the pre-season so it might just be cobwebs. Hard to judge his game as I don’t know if he was tagging anyone or not, wasn’t paying attention to that kind of thing.
Angus Graham – Still hasn’t got the greatest motor, although to be fair I think he did a lot more ruckwork than Maric or Jacobs did singally. I think he’s still our #1 ruck option, at least for the first half of the year anyway. One thing I did take away from the game is I think we will need to play Graham, Vickery and one of Browne/Derickx every week.
Robin Nahas – Loved this fella’s game. Worked hard, got front and centre up forward, was chasing, tackling and throwing around what little weight he has. His kicking was top notch as well. I wasn’t sold on him last year but from what I saw Friday and from the rest of his pre-season, je may have turned the corner similar to how Jake King has resurrected his career.
Jake King – Has gone from being a player who I disliked to being one of my absolute faves. People who say he is not up to it either haven’t watched his past 15 games (including pre-season), or they simply can’t man up and admit they were wrong about him. Everything he does is for the team and he plays his forward role magnificently. Does hurt the opposition when he gets it now too, I love him.
Tyrone Vickery – Make no doubts about it people, it might not be this year, but he WILL fulfil his potential and be a very good player for us. Gave a real contest and took some great grabs both up forward and around the ground. I have full confidence in him now that he will show why he was taken at Pick 8.
Reece Conca – Looked over-awed early on, and I still think he plays a bit scared, but to his credit he got better and better as the game went on. Looks to have so much time when he has the ball and makes correct decisions when he chooses to get rid of it. I won’t be expecting big numbers in 2011, but eventually I think he’ll wind up to be a vital cog in our midfield.
Jake Batchelor – Don’t think he had as much game time as he’s had in previous weeks. Can’t recall him getting much of the pill at all.
Brad Helbig – This guy is my big positive of the game. Only played in bursts, but gee he has some ability. His defensive chase downs were fantastic which resulted in a goal of his own, but his second and third efforts on the wing in the 3rd term were great to see for a teenager. I’d go as far as to say I’m more excited about him than Conca at this stage. Obviously it might take a while for him to turn these bursts into consistent, full game efforts, but he is definitely one for the future. Will play games in 2011 for sure.
Matthew White – Was great defensively I thought, chopping off opposition kicks and then kick starting a rebound from 50, but his kicking while running at pace will always be the feature of his game that lets him down unfortunately. I’m not sure why Dimma has been playing him in defence, as I liked him up forward last year. I don’t think he uses it well enough to be a rebounding defender.
Jayden Post – Like Vickery I thought he showed some great signs, especially in front of goal. Kicked a beauty from about 50m out on the flank in the 2nd quarter, and then nailed one from the other end on the run from the same distance. I like him as a forward, and I think there’s room up there for him, Riewoldt and Vickery to work together.
Nathan Foley – Is getting better with each match which is fantastic news. Probably won’t see him at his best until Round 3 or 4 or so, as you can see he is just getting used to the pace again, but we saw some glimpses of the old Foley bursting out of packs which was a definite highlight. Doesn’t looked to have lost any pace and still finds the footy with ease. If he stays fit it’s going to be bloody exciting watching him, Martin and Cotchin in the guts together in 2011.
Matt Dea – Only just realised he wore the #43. I thought it was Jakobi, so after finding out it was Dea I was pleasantly surprised. Started as a sub and didn’t get much game time, but I thought he was clever in high pressure situations with his handballs in traffic. Didn’t get much of a run though but definitely something to work with.
Chris Newman - Started somewhat slowly but really got going as the match progressed. Remember him delivering a brilliant pass to Posty at one stage who goaled from memory. Didn't get as much of it as usual, but it was his first game back, he'll be better again in Round 1.
Brett Deledio - Was ok. A lot of his touches were all class, but he didn't really impact the game in any way. Was used for kickouts a lot but our strategy when doing so is *smile* poor, so often he just had to bomb to a contest. Not his fault. Was very good in aerial contests I thought, always finding a way to get a fist in.
Dustin Martin - Was one of our very best I thought. Was one of the few who was able to win his fair share of clearances for us, and some of his long kicks off half-back were brilliant and really set up the play. Did notice he wasn't successfully fending off opponents as what he was last year, but nonetheless he was very, very good. He also went forward at one stage and took a strong overhead mark on the lead....a facet of his game I didn't know he had.
Shaun Grigg - Gave us a bit of good and bad. Racked up the ball with ease which was a great sign, including plenty of in and under stuff which is great. Has a super boot on him and competes very well in the air too. On the other hand though, noticed he was kicking some bad floaters from time to time. The good outweighed the bad but he might have something to work on with his kicking at full pace.
Jack Riewoldt - Thought he was fantastic for a guy playing his first game of the year. Didn't really impact the scoreboard individually, but his efforts and hard work when the ball actually was down our end was great to see. Certainly hasn't lost his huge leap which almost saw him bring down a couple of screamers. Goal kicking accuracy is still sublime as well. He will be every bit as good this year as he was last year. Bookmark it.
Shane Edwards - I was a fan of his last season, but he has been, to put it bluntly, terrible this pre-season. Is ok defensively, but his kicking has been atrocious this pre-season, and Friday was no different. I was always taught to treat each possession with respect but I think Edwards can be lazy with his disposal and not really concentrate when he is disposing of the footy. I wouldn't have him in my round 1 side which says a lot about his pre-season.
David Astbury - Was comprehensively beaten by Taylor Walker early on. The ball was down in Adelaide's 50 a fair bit, but David couldn’t even compete, Walker was out marking him every single time. Wasn’t too bad when he got the ball himself, but I think he is a year off holding down a KP spot, just not ready to play on the big boys yet.
Bachar Houli – A lot smaller than I thought he’d be, but I thought he was very good. He would already be one of the best kickers at the club, his left foot is Newman like. Also saw him get in and under a few times too, showing that he doesn’t just need the pill fed to him all the day. He is going to be a very handy player for us this year I reckon. Riewoldt is going to love the delivery he gets from this bloke.
Luke McGuane – Hasn’t changed as a player, for better or worse. Still a fantastic one on one defender and really shut Walker down for 2 quarters before Walker got hot again in the last. He might be our best 1 on 1 defender I reckon. However, his skills and decision making are still very poor when he’s got the footy. He’s better off just banging it 60m down the ground than actually trying to hit up a short target I reckon.
Alex Rance – I think he is getting better. Still makes some questionable decisions but they aren’t as prevalent as they used to be. Absolutely love his physicality and the way he takes the game on, I think he will eventually become a good player for us down back.
Daniel Connors – Think he might have been hurt in the warm up??
Mitch Morton – Liked his game. I’m still unsure as to where his best position is, maybe he can be used wherever he is needed in any given game, as he can play both a midfield role or forward role very well. Worked hard up and down the wing and provided a target up forward when he was there.
Daniel Jackson – Think he has to be used as a tagger and that’s probably it. Footskills aren’t up to scratch, although he has only played 2 games in the pre-season so it might just be cobwebs. Hard to judge his game as I don’t know if he was tagging anyone or not, wasn’t paying attention to that kind of thing.
Angus Graham – Still hasn’t got the greatest motor, although to be fair I think he did a lot more ruckwork than Maric or Jacobs did singally. I think he’s still our #1 ruck option, at least for the first half of the year anyway. One thing I did take away from the game is I think we will need to play Graham, Vickery and one of Browne/Derickx every week.
Robin Nahas – Loved this fella’s game. Worked hard, got front and centre up forward, was chasing, tackling and throwing around what little weight he has. His kicking was top notch as well. I wasn’t sold on him last year but from what I saw Friday and from the rest of his pre-season, je may have turned the corner similar to how Jake King has resurrected his career.
Jake King – Has gone from being a player who I disliked to being one of my absolute faves. People who say he is not up to it either haven’t watched his past 15 games (including pre-season), or they simply can’t man up and admit they were wrong about him. Everything he does is for the team and he plays his forward role magnificently. Does hurt the opposition when he gets it now too, I love him.
Tyrone Vickery – Make no doubts about it people, it might not be this year, but he WILL fulfil his potential and be a very good player for us. Gave a real contest and took some great grabs both up forward and around the ground. I have full confidence in him now that he will show why he was taken at Pick 8.
Reece Conca – Looked over-awed early on, and I still think he plays a bit scared, but to his credit he got better and better as the game went on. Looks to have so much time when he has the ball and makes correct decisions when he chooses to get rid of it. I won’t be expecting big numbers in 2011, but eventually I think he’ll wind up to be a vital cog in our midfield.
Jake Batchelor – Don’t think he had as much game time as he’s had in previous weeks. Can’t recall him getting much of the pill at all.
Brad Helbig – This guy is my big positive of the game. Only played in bursts, but gee he has some ability. His defensive chase downs were fantastic which resulted in a goal of his own, but his second and third efforts on the wing in the 3rd term were great to see for a teenager. I’d go as far as to say I’m more excited about him than Conca at this stage. Obviously it might take a while for him to turn these bursts into consistent, full game efforts, but he is definitely one for the future. Will play games in 2011 for sure.
Matthew White – Was great defensively I thought, chopping off opposition kicks and then kick starting a rebound from 50, but his kicking while running at pace will always be the feature of his game that lets him down unfortunately. I’m not sure why Dimma has been playing him in defence, as I liked him up forward last year. I don’t think he uses it well enough to be a rebounding defender.
Jayden Post – Like Vickery I thought he showed some great signs, especially in front of goal. Kicked a beauty from about 50m out on the flank in the 2nd quarter, and then nailed one from the other end on the run from the same distance. I like him as a forward, and I think there’s room up there for him, Riewoldt and Vickery to work together.
Nathan Foley – Is getting better with each match which is fantastic news. Probably won’t see him at his best until Round 3 or 4 or so, as you can see he is just getting used to the pace again, but we saw some glimpses of the old Foley bursting out of packs which was a definite highlight. Doesn’t looked to have lost any pace and still finds the footy with ease. If he stays fit it’s going to be bloody exciting watching him, Martin and Cotchin in the guts together in 2011.
Matt Dea – Only just realised he wore the #43. I thought it was Jakobi, so after finding out it was Dea I was pleasantly surprised. Started as a sub and didn’t get much game time, but I thought he was clever in high pressure situations with his handballs in traffic. Didn’t get much of a run though but definitely something to work with.
Harry said:
Not sure about Connors, but Conca got skittled by Tambling. Tambo dived for a rolling ball at speed, and Conca got hit hard in the legs and was skittled. He lay flat for a few seconds and got up limping quite badly then tried to run it out. I was quite worried for him actually as it was one of those incidents you could see break a leg. Then again it might just have looked worse than it ended up so hopefully it will be nothing,
Im not too fussed about the result - im not happy about what we displayed...but the most important thing for us going into 2011 IMO - is NO injuries and Foley getting through. If Axel gets going then our engine room looks a hell of a lot better. Sure we looked sloppy, but I honestly believe we are a better unit than that. I will say however, that players like Edwards, Jackson and White must be punished for their deplorable disposal this pre season - Id be in favour of giving games to conca, batchelor and helbig in round 1 to prove that its just no accepted. Just no care about the football and it just kills a team.
I wouldnt be suprised if Thursty gets 1st crack at FB in round 1 either. May not be the most attacking player - but he is a decent stopper (our best), and we just cant leak goals to players like Taylor bloddy Walker like we did.
Id also be considering getting Deledio up the ground. He is our best user of the ball and he needs to be getting his 20-30 touches in the middle and going fwd. Let Conca and Batchelor take on the HB role - nothing to lose IMO. Get our best users around the ball.
As for Graham....geez he offers very little. Big X must be close in DH eyes... With him, Vickery and Post all sharing the duties.
So after a re-think I have gone with this for rd 1:
FB: Jake Batchelor Will Thursfield Kelvin Moore (rance if injured)
HB: Chris Newman David Astbury Reece Conca
C: Bachar Houli Dustin Martin Brett Deledio
HF: Mitch Morton Jack Reiwoldt Daniel Connors
FF: Jayden Post Tyrone Vickery Robin Nahas
R: Big X, Trent Cotchin, Nathan Foley
I wouldnt be suprised if Thursty gets 1st crack at FB in round 1 either. May not be the most attacking player - but he is a decent stopper (our best), and we just cant leak goals to players like Taylor bloddy Walker like we did.
Id also be considering getting Deledio up the ground. He is our best user of the ball and he needs to be getting his 20-30 touches in the middle and going fwd. Let Conca and Batchelor take on the HB role - nothing to lose IMO. Get our best users around the ball.
As for Graham....geez he offers very little. Big X must be close in DH eyes... With him, Vickery and Post all sharing the duties.
So after a re-think I have gone with this for rd 1:
FB: Jake Batchelor Will Thursfield Kelvin Moore (rance if injured)
HB: Chris Newman David Astbury Reece Conca
C: Bachar Houli Dustin Martin Brett Deledio
HF: Mitch Morton Jack Reiwoldt Daniel Connors
FF: Jayden Post Tyrone Vickery Robin Nahas
R: Big X, Trent Cotchin, Nathan Foley
sounds good to me but i think you will find king nason taylor edwards white tuck and jackson will be in the mix i would swap nason for nahas you have more options with nason and king needs to be in theretha8ball said:
Tigion said:
King is suspended...Nahas has had a very good pre-season and is almost a certain starter. Nason has been unsighted.
caught the 2nd half and was not pulling my hair out, it was only a practice match!! We have beaten teams like Geelong and Sydney recent praccy games, it counts for nothing. Irrespective who gets into the seniors Thursday week, we need to show 80% more
- Intensity
- Desperation
- Commitment
If we don't come prepared to play then the doomsday messages can start around 10:00pm 24th of March 2011.
The pleasing aspect for me is that we have 34-38 players who if they perform in the seconds will get a senior game. We might see one hell of a merry go round this year.
- Intensity
- Desperation
- Commitment
If we don't come prepared to play then the doomsday messages can start around 10:00pm 24th of March 2011.
The pleasing aspect for me is that we have 34-38 players who if they perform in the seconds will get a senior game. We might see one hell of a merry go round this year.
