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Rich Vs Adel (March 11th, 2011)-Teams [Merged]
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We are in the second year of a complete rebuild at a time when the draft is highly compromised and our financial position is weak.
The great thing about 2010 was that the club had finally faced up to its position because it was no longer possible to deny reality.
We will struggle to be competitive during 2011 and we must concentrate on developing the younger players.
My assessment is that this pre-season has been used in the right way to achieve that goal.
Yes, it was horrible to watch yesterday, particularly in that last quarter.
A few comments here about game plan have stressed the lack of run/spread. That is a big problem. I am uncertain at this point whether it is the plan or the execution which is at fault, but Coach Hardwick's comments after the game suggest that the plan does NOT include this pointless stagnant backwards/sideways kicking out of defence. Nevertheless I would like to see more evidence that hard work to create options is expected of Players. Certainly it is frustrating to perceive there is a lack of both effort and sense.
Another Poster mentioned we interchanged a lot less that the Crows. It was a hot day. Fine to get game time into the likes of Plyers Grigg and Foley, but to some extent this must have contributed to a lack of run in the last quarter.
Positives from the game:
* A couple of grappas after a late lunch at Enoteca Sileno on Lygon St performed well as far as my state of mind during the game was concerned.
* Walking down Richardson St to Princess Park. What a great name for a street!
* Player Foley got through the game.
* Player Grigg looked all right.
* Player Hellboy seems not to be where the ball ain't. Something to work with there.
* It is entirely possible that we will have three first year players playing in Round One.
* Player Vickery showing a bit here and there as a forward. Give this kid some time - just look for some improved performances and confidence during 2011.
On the balance of probabilities, Player Rance is not going to make it. But his last couple of outings have shown marginal improvement.
The great thing about 2010 was that the club had finally faced up to its position because it was no longer possible to deny reality.
We will struggle to be competitive during 2011 and we must concentrate on developing the younger players.
My assessment is that this pre-season has been used in the right way to achieve that goal.
Yes, it was horrible to watch yesterday, particularly in that last quarter.
A few comments here about game plan have stressed the lack of run/spread. That is a big problem. I am uncertain at this point whether it is the plan or the execution which is at fault, but Coach Hardwick's comments after the game suggest that the plan does NOT include this pointless stagnant backwards/sideways kicking out of defence. Nevertheless I would like to see more evidence that hard work to create options is expected of Players. Certainly it is frustrating to perceive there is a lack of both effort and sense.
Another Poster mentioned we interchanged a lot less that the Crows. It was a hot day. Fine to get game time into the likes of Plyers Grigg and Foley, but to some extent this must have contributed to a lack of run in the last quarter.
Positives from the game:
* A couple of grappas after a late lunch at Enoteca Sileno on Lygon St performed well as far as my state of mind during the game was concerned.
* Walking down Richardson St to Princess Park. What a great name for a street!
* Player Foley got through the game.
* Player Grigg looked all right.
* Player Hellboy seems not to be where the ball ain't. Something to work with there.
* It is entirely possible that we will have three first year players playing in Round One.
* Player Vickery showing a bit here and there as a forward. Give this kid some time - just look for some improved performances and confidence during 2011.
On the balance of probabilities, Player Rance is not going to make it. But his last couple of outings have shown marginal improvement.
It is a practice match against another finals contender, as was last week
Our most important players got through unscathed
Hardwick blowing a gasket and scheduling a practice match confirms this wasn't an acceptable performance
Hardwick nonetheless needs to note how the new coaches have changed things at essington
We have more good recruiting to do, thankfully giant strides in at least the last 2 drafts
We cannot just have a good 3rd quarter
We don't have acceptable sports science at our club (well said, Navy) - then again, given Neil Craig's background, they probably have the best sports science in the league
We have maturing to do, we have more skills to learn, we have more strategies to learn
We have more list changes to make
We have previous crap to unlearn and cancers to cure, we are a bottom 4 or 5 side until at least then
We are unfortunately just starting and can expect beltings against teams who do all the things we aspire to
The last piece of comedy for the afternoon was Gourdis walking past the stands after the final siren and tripping as I and a fellow Pre-ender were pondering whether he was up to scratch, the ant will get 2 weeks with an early plea
Our most important players got through unscathed
Hardwick blowing a gasket and scheduling a practice match confirms this wasn't an acceptable performance
Hardwick nonetheless needs to note how the new coaches have changed things at essington
We have more good recruiting to do, thankfully giant strides in at least the last 2 drafts
We cannot just have a good 3rd quarter
We don't have acceptable sports science at our club (well said, Navy) - then again, given Neil Craig's background, they probably have the best sports science in the league
We have maturing to do, we have more skills to learn, we have more strategies to learn
We have more list changes to make
We have previous crap to unlearn and cancers to cure, we are a bottom 4 or 5 side until at least then
We are unfortunately just starting and can expect beltings against teams who do all the things we aspire to
The last piece of comedy for the afternoon was Gourdis walking past the stands after the final siren and tripping as I and a fellow Pre-ender were pondering whether he was up to scratch, the ant will get 2 weeks with an early plea
I thought Houli was really good,constantly hit teammates on the chest.
As you`ve all read Astbury got beaten for strength in at least 3 marking contests against number 13 for the Crows,I think it may have been Knights.
The thing that disappointed me with that was that they moved him off him too quickly,seeing as it was a practice match and Astbury is being groomed for a Key Defensive position I was hoping they would leave him on him for a bit longer to see if he could try and use a different tactic and win a couple of contests.
Foley looked good,doesn`t seem to have lost any pace or zip.
The Crows pressure and tackling was very good,ours was woeful apart from the 3rd quarter when we had our best period of the game.
An average team like us really needs to apply huge pressure to be competitive.
Apply pressure and then run to space when we`ve got it,it`s not rocket science.
As you`ve all read Astbury got beaten for strength in at least 3 marking contests against number 13 for the Crows,I think it may have been Knights.
The thing that disappointed me with that was that they moved him off him too quickly,seeing as it was a practice match and Astbury is being groomed for a Key Defensive position I was hoping they would leave him on him for a bit longer to see if he could try and use a different tactic and win a couple of contests.
Foley looked good,doesn`t seem to have lost any pace or zip.
The Crows pressure and tackling was very good,ours was woeful apart from the 3rd quarter when we had our best period of the game.
An average team like us really needs to apply huge pressure to be competitive.
Apply pressure and then run to space when we`ve got it,it`s not rocket science.
That was an awful display.
The only time I saw someone run had to space was Morton on the wing (excuse me if I get the wrong player, damn sun was making it hard to see) who ran hard and quickly became an option, and it was honoured.
Then nobody else further down field did likewise and we went backwards again.
GEE, WE ARE THE EASIEST TEAM TO STEAL A GAME OFF, JUST BY ZONING US AWAY!!
WHEN WILL A RICHMOND COACH UNDERSTAND THIS?
WHEN WILL RUNNING HARD TO SPACE BECOME IMPORTANT AT THE RFC?
WHEN WILL A RICHMOND COACH MAKE THIS THE NUMBER 1 RULE AT THE RFC?
Running hard, fast and early is the most important aspect of Australian Rules Football today.
It covers up so many deficiencies and helps you win games.
It allows for all sizes to play the game.
A dopey ruckman can gain ground by finding space and he can even drop the ball off a mark, and he still has the time to regather because he has made space and time.
A lighter weight player like a Dale Thomas makes a living from running hard to space. Why can't our light-weights.
All the good teams run hard and fast to space.
Adelaide shoved that in oUr faces again yesterday.
To the 'Richmond Official' who frequents this board. Take note, and/or pass my concerns to the Coach.
I'm not judging the state of the club on just yesterday V the Crows or our pre-season.
I'm saying that the Richmond Football Club has NEVER played, in the Modern Era, a gamestyle where all players in all positions run hard, are procative, make space, and support their team-mates right down the ground.
Again, yesterday off the kick-ins....no quick support in space down the field....so the backman goes sideways (& negative, bound to fail attitude) and then he eventually chokes through the weight of oppostion numbers.
Unless Hardwick starts pulling off the ground players who REFUSE to offer assistance to team-mates quickly down-field, then I will still be writing stuff like this when Hardwick is sacked and we are all AGAIN wondering what has happened at the club.
This year we will beaten by teams that switch while we stand flat-footed, who make space right through their lines and who FILL space before we wake up from our lazy stupor.
And I don't want to hear anything about progress or any other forms of developing bs excuses.
They hold no water.
IN THE SPACE OF ONE PRE-SEASON ALL PLAYERS AT THE ESSENDON FOOTBALL CLUB ARE RUNNING HARD, MAKING SPACE AND THEREFORE BEATING OPPONENTS, AND SUPPORTING EACH OTHER.
WHAT'S THE RFC'S EXCUSE SO FAR UNDER HARDWICK?
FIX IT NOW. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.
I'm sick of it.
The only time I saw someone run had to space was Morton on the wing (excuse me if I get the wrong player, damn sun was making it hard to see) who ran hard and quickly became an option, and it was honoured.
Then nobody else further down field did likewise and we went backwards again.
GEE, WE ARE THE EASIEST TEAM TO STEAL A GAME OFF, JUST BY ZONING US AWAY!!
WHEN WILL A RICHMOND COACH UNDERSTAND THIS?
WHEN WILL RUNNING HARD TO SPACE BECOME IMPORTANT AT THE RFC?
WHEN WILL A RICHMOND COACH MAKE THIS THE NUMBER 1 RULE AT THE RFC?
Running hard, fast and early is the most important aspect of Australian Rules Football today.
It covers up so many deficiencies and helps you win games.
It allows for all sizes to play the game.
A dopey ruckman can gain ground by finding space and he can even drop the ball off a mark, and he still has the time to regather because he has made space and time.
A lighter weight player like a Dale Thomas makes a living from running hard to space. Why can't our light-weights.
All the good teams run hard and fast to space.
Adelaide shoved that in oUr faces again yesterday.
To the 'Richmond Official' who frequents this board. Take note, and/or pass my concerns to the Coach.
I'm not judging the state of the club on just yesterday V the Crows or our pre-season.
I'm saying that the Richmond Football Club has NEVER played, in the Modern Era, a gamestyle where all players in all positions run hard, are procative, make space, and support their team-mates right down the ground.
Again, yesterday off the kick-ins....no quick support in space down the field....so the backman goes sideways (& negative, bound to fail attitude) and then he eventually chokes through the weight of oppostion numbers.
Unless Hardwick starts pulling off the ground players who REFUSE to offer assistance to team-mates quickly down-field, then I will still be writing stuff like this when Hardwick is sacked and we are all AGAIN wondering what has happened at the club.
This year we will beaten by teams that switch while we stand flat-footed, who make space right through their lines and who FILL space before we wake up from our lazy stupor.
And I don't want to hear anything about progress or any other forms of developing bs excuses.
They hold no water.
IN THE SPACE OF ONE PRE-SEASON ALL PLAYERS AT THE ESSENDON FOOTBALL CLUB ARE RUNNING HARD, MAKING SPACE AND THEREFORE BEATING OPPONENTS, AND SUPPORTING EACH OTHER.
WHAT'S THE RFC'S EXCUSE SO FAR UNDER HARDWICK?
FIX IT NOW. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.
I'm sick of it.
Scribblar said:That was an awful display.
The only time I saw someone run had to space was Morton on the wing (excuse me if I get the wrong player, damn sun was making it hard to see) who ran hard and quickly became an option, and it was honoured.
Then nobody else further down field did likewise and we went backwards again.
GEE, WE ARE THE EASIEST TEAM TO STEAL A GAME OFF, JUST BY ZONING US AWAY!!
WHEN WILL A RICHMOND COACH UNDERSTAND THIS?
WHEN WILL RUNNING HARD TO SPACE BECOME IMPORTANT AT THE RFC?
WHEN WILL A RICHMOND COACH MAKE THIS THE NUMBER 1 RULE AT THE RFC?
Running hard, fast and early is the most important aspect of Australian Rules Football today.
It covers up so many deficiencies and helps you win games.
It allows for all sizes to play the game.
A dopey ruckman can gain ground by finding space and he can even drop the ball off a mark, and he still has the time to regather because he has made space and time.
A lighter weight player like a Dale Thomas makes a living from running hard to space. Why can't our light-weights.
All the good teams run hard and fast to space.
Adelaide shoved that in oUr faces again yesterday.
To the 'Richmond Official' who frequents this board. Take note, and/or pass my concerns to the Coach.
I'm not judging the state of the club on just yesterday V the Crows or our pre-season.
I'm saying that the Richmond Football Club has NEVER played, in the Modern Era, a gamestyle where all players in all positions run hard, are procative, make space, and support their team-mates right down the ground.
Again, yesterday off the kick-ins....no quick support in space down the field....so the backman goes sideways (& negative, bound to fail attitude) and then he eventually chokes through the weight of oppostion numbers.
Unless Hardwick starts pulling off the ground players who REFUSE to offer assistance to team-mates quickly down-field, then I will still be writing stuff like this when Hardwick is sacked and we are all AGAIN wondering what has happened at the club.
This year we will beaten by teams that switch while we stand flat-footed, who make space right through their lines and who FILL space before we wake up from our lazy stupor.
And I don't want to hear anything about progress or any other forms of developing bs excuses.
They hold no water.
IN THE SPACE OF ONE PRE-SEASON ALL PLAYERS AT THE ESSENDON FOOTBALL CLUB ARE RUNNING HARD, MAKING SPACE AND THEREFORE BEATING OPPONENTS, AND SUPPORTING EACH OTHER.
WHAT'S THE RFC'S EXCUSE SO FAR UNDER HARDWICK?
FIX IT NOW. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.
I'm sick of it.
:clap Perfectly said; agree 150%.
GO TIGES!!!
I haven't seen the game due to being up here in Deni sucking on VBs.
Told the gf "I bet you they lost by 10 goals" as a joke.
Lo and behold when I logged into Murray(her apple macbook pro's name),I saw we lost by 68 points and put in a p!sspoor last quarter.
After the shock and another VB I think we just must've stopped to conserve for the real stuff.
I haven't lost hope.
What happened in Japan puts life in perspective.
As long as we remain strong off the field and still get behind the club to build it into an impregnable force,the onfield stuff will come.
I know if we turn up our toes against Carlton,it will set back the club a year and have far reaching ramifications for alot of supporters(darksiders).
I want us just to have a crack against Carlton.
If only we could put the players in the tardis to the late 60s and early 70s and get them to feel the rivalry between these 2 old foes because sometimes I feel the kids don't get it.
I feel they don't get we were once a POWERHOUSE of the game.
They have only seen the Richmond that loses all the time.
They don't have the respect of the jumper and what wearing the mighty yellow sash means.
Lets hope they understand basic facts.
We are Richmond and we don't take losing.
We have been taken over by double agents for a long time but now we want the REAL RICHMOND BACK!
Pre Season is just a BS money making comp for VLAD the real estate agent.
MAY THE TIGER ROAR ON RICHMOND PADDOCK AND THE PLAYERS GIVE 110 PERCENT FOR THE SUPPORTERS WHO HAVE GAVE 110 PERCENT FOR A VERY LONG TIME!!!!!
Told the gf "I bet you they lost by 10 goals" as a joke.
Lo and behold when I logged into Murray(her apple macbook pro's name),I saw we lost by 68 points and put in a p!sspoor last quarter.
After the shock and another VB I think we just must've stopped to conserve for the real stuff.
I haven't lost hope.
What happened in Japan puts life in perspective.
As long as we remain strong off the field and still get behind the club to build it into an impregnable force,the onfield stuff will come.
I know if we turn up our toes against Carlton,it will set back the club a year and have far reaching ramifications for alot of supporters(darksiders).
I want us just to have a crack against Carlton.
If only we could put the players in the tardis to the late 60s and early 70s and get them to feel the rivalry between these 2 old foes because sometimes I feel the kids don't get it.
I feel they don't get we were once a POWERHOUSE of the game.
They have only seen the Richmond that loses all the time.
They don't have the respect of the jumper and what wearing the mighty yellow sash means.
Lets hope they understand basic facts.
We are Richmond and we don't take losing.
We have been taken over by double agents for a long time but now we want the REAL RICHMOND BACK!
Pre Season is just a BS money making comp for VLAD the real estate agent.
MAY THE TIGER ROAR ON RICHMOND PADDOCK AND THE PLAYERS GIVE 110 PERCENT FOR THE SUPPORTERS WHO HAVE GAVE 110 PERCENT FOR A VERY LONG TIME!!!!!
Harry said:
I remember last pre season. The only reason it looked better is because we saw a difference in game plan from what we witnessed under Wallace. We were looking for the change and everything was a positive....until the Carlton game!
Now punters are wanting to see evidence in Practice games that we performed better than in Round 17, 18, 19 of last year. In Practice matches. Practice.
Yes yesterday wasn't great, I don't think anyone could defend what they saw, but the reaction here is laughable.
If we end up performing better than we did last year, is a practice match this time of year relevant?
All I am saying is instead of reacting the way some are here let's just wait and analyse once the real season starts. Mind you, not having a go at guys who are being negative in a constructive way, that performance did need it, but there are a silly few on here that make being associated with them, well embarrassing.
Calls questioning the coach in my opinion is really, really stupid when he is beginning year number two. Beginning it, not finishing it.
Tigerbob said:
Round 17, 18, etc was 6-7 months ago. Only practice matches, etc but If they aren't now more drilled, understand the gameplan better and executing better than you have to seriously ask why? What have they been doing all preseason? Improvement from year to year in all areas should be expected. That means not waiting to the end of the year to see but also improvement from the end of last year to the start of this year.
Last 2 weeks haven't been promising with close to our best side and so close to the season. Let's see how we go round 1.
Tigerbob said:
Agree with that. This is a massive task and he needs full support from everyone whether he's the right man or not. We don't know yet so he needs to be given the chance. However, nothing wrong with questioning certain areas of our play IMO but not some of the calls to sack him. Just silly.
Barnzy said:
Jsut because our better names were on paper, doesn't make it our strongest side.
If anyone thinks anyone other than Essendon goes full on in these type of games then they are kidding themselves. We played Deledio, Riewoldt, Newman etc for the first time and they looked like they didn't want to get out of a jog. Foley and some others were given extensive time on the ground to get them match conditioned for Round One. By the last quarter there was no doubt we ran out of steam on a warmer day. This won't happen in the real season. The interchange will be utilised much better in the season proper.
Look they are not excuses, but at the end of the day, it was a Practice game. If the intensity doesn't lift in Round One, go for the slagging.
Let's hold on and see how the real season goes.
I was there yesterday and noticed that Connors could hardly stretch during the warm up and could hardly walk after the match. Obviously one man down going into the match, hardly had any game time. IMHO very doubtful for next week if as I suspect has a sore groin Any one else notice?
What sh!ts me is they will not punch the ball forward.CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:
They just tap it at there feet. Once in a while i would like them to hit the ball as hard as they can.
I have read almost every post, and the theme is that it is only a practice match. If that's the case why did our coach savage the players after the game? Living now in Country Victoria, I have not seem any of the game. What I do take notice of, is those at the game and what the coach has to say. It certainly seems we were awful in the last quarter, but we were 25 points down at 3/4 time anyway, so the rest of the game could not have been that red hot either.
Can someone who was at the game try and explain what our supposed game plan was?? Essendon looked so good with long kicks down the ground and if not marked came to ground and the crumbers did the rest. Reading these posts it seems our game plan compared to the Dons is like chalk and cheese.
Can someone who was at the game try and explain what our supposed game plan was?? Essendon looked so good with long kicks down the ground and if not marked came to ground and the crumbers did the rest. Reading these posts it seems our game plan compared to the Dons is like chalk and cheese.
Scribblar said:That was an awful display.
The only time I saw someone run had to space was Morton on the wing (excuse me if I get the wrong player, damn sun was making it hard to see) who ran hard and quickly became an option, and it was honoured.
Then nobody else further down field did likewise and we went backwards again.
GEE, WE ARE THE EASIEST TEAM TO STEAL A GAME OFF, JUST BY ZONING US AWAY!!
WHEN WILL A RICHMOND COACH UNDERSTAND THIS?
WHEN WILL RUNNING HARD TO SPACE BECOME IMPORTANT AT THE RFC?
WHEN WILL A RICHMOND COACH MAKE THIS THE NUMBER 1 RULE AT THE RFC?
Running hard, fast and early is the most important aspect of Australian Rules Football today.
It covers up so many deficiencies and helps you win games.
It allows for all sizes to play the game.
A dopey ruckman can gain ground by finding space and he can even drop the ball off a mark, and he still has the time to regather because he has made space and time.
A lighter weight player like a Dale Thomas makes a living from running hard to space. Why can't our light-weights.
All the good teams run hard and fast to space.
Adelaide shoved that in oUr faces again yesterday.
To the 'Richmond Official' who frequents this board. Take note, and/or pass my concerns to the Coach.
I'm not judging the state of the club on just yesterday V the Crows or our pre-season.
I'm saying that the Richmond Football Club has NEVER played, in the Modern Era, a gamestyle where all players in all positions run hard, are procative, make space, and support their team-mates right down the ground.
Again, yesterday off the kick-ins....no quick support in space down the field....so the backman goes sideways (& negative, bound to fail attitude) and then he eventually chokes through the weight of oppostion numbers.
Unless Hardwick starts pulling off the ground players who REFUSE to offer assistance to team-mates quickly down-field, then I will still be writing stuff like this when Hardwick is sacked and we are all AGAIN wondering what has happened at the club.
This year we will beaten by teams that switch while we stand flat-footed, who make space right through their lines and who FILL space before we wake up from our lazy stupor.
And I don't want to hear anything about progress or any other forms of developing bs excuses.
They hold no water.
IN THE SPACE OF ONE PRE-SEASON ALL PLAYERS AT THE ESSENDON FOOTBALL CLUB ARE RUNNING HARD, MAKING SPACE AND THEREFORE BEATING OPPONENTS, AND SUPPORTING EACH OTHER.
WHAT'S THE RFC'S EXCUSE SO FAR UNDER HARDWICK?
FIX IT NOW. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.
I'm sick of it.
Well said Scribbles.
Hmmm what exactly were we practicing out there in that final quarter? How to get a belting from an also ran side? Perhaps, we were practising how to annhiliate an entire season in one game? Or maybe embarrassing the long suffering supporters?
Nah, couldn't be. We are already past masters at this sort of thing!
Nah, couldn't be. We are already past masters at this sort of thing!
