Rich Vs Adel (March 11th, 2011)-Teams [Merged]

[Rosy]

Ive been saying since day one we got stooged by getting dimma the guy has know clue about modern day footy im sorry guys i wont him to be a success but i dnt see it

Same as I think some have him on too high a pedestal at this stage I think you are selling him short a bit early scooty. We'll be far better qualified to judge either way at the end of the year. We need to see how much improvement we show and how the new players we've recruited under him shape up etc.

 

[Rfc4Ever]

Our improvement in the 2nd half of last season can't be ignored.

We were poor for the majority of the practice matches this year however they don't mean too much in the grand scheme of things.

We just need to do our best to capitalise on our good form late last season and continue with it.

We haven't played our team near full strength yet so bring on Round 1.

 

[Rosy]

We haven't played our team near full strength yet so bring on Round 1.

That's an important point. Although we had most of our top 22 in last night we also had several on the ground who won't be there in Rd 1. That's the nature of having such a big bench and wanting to get experience into the players. It has to affect how we perform as a "team".

 

[sashback]

-Kingy needs to remember he is a mongrel from Heidelberg and not Maurice Rioli dodging and weaving through traffic.

Hahaha lol, classic line!

Go Jake, I luv ya son!

 

[evo]

Our improvement in the 2nd half of last season can't be ignored.

That's true.

What concerned me yesterday is not that 'the sky is falling' but rather that we are so under prepared with only 2 weeks to go. We just weren't doing the basics. My son's under 12 team had a practise match during the week- they were running to receive better than Richmond. As Harry said :"What have they been doing for the last 4 months?"

Either Dimma is a tactical genius and is hiding all his cards, or we are going to have a very slow start to the season.

 

[Skills]

That's true.

What concerned me yesterday is not that 'the sky is falling' but rather that we are so under prepared with only 2 weeks to go. We just weren't doing the basics. My son's under 12 team had a practise match during the week- they were running to receive better than Richmond. As Harry said :"What have they been doing for the last 4 months?"

Either Dimma is a tactical genius and is hiding all his cards, or we are going to have a very slow start to the season.

Operative word: Preparation
Primary accountability: Coach & Players
Assessment: Poor

 

[Punxsutawney Phil]

Our improvement in the 2nd half of last season can't be ignored.

We were poor for the majority of the practice matches this year however they don't mean too much in the grand scheme of things.

We just need to do our best to capitalise on our good form late last season and continue with it.

We haven't played our team near full strength yet so bring on Round 1.

I think our good form late last year means squat to be honest. We were conned into thinking our good form in late 2008 would take us to the finals in 2009 and look how that turned out. I know it is only a practice match, but the signs aren't good and it isn't a good way to go into the season proper. We are in for another long year.

 

[Harry]

We aren't gelling and creating as a TEAM. I've said it in another post but will re-iterate it again that we dont support each other enough. Our forward thrusts and plays generally come down to too many individual efforts. Adelaide is a perfect example of how they support, run and are coached. It is obvious that they are all drilled to create and support alot more than we currently are insturcted to. They play like a well oiled machine. Yes Newman was having his first hitout of the pre-season, as was Jack but we basically had out best 22 out there minus Cotchin & Moore. We had a decent enough team to produce and show alot more than they did; hence IMO a very poor performance, yet again mainly due to our game-plan. Im praying for a miracle round 1. I can't see how we are all of a sudden going to 'flick on the switch' and play inspired, gut running, team orientated football to win this match. Anything under a 6 goal defeat, going by what i've seen over this pre-season will unfortunately be a good result; but really isn't acceptable. (Sorry i'm a little intoxicated).

GO TIGES!!!

Youre being too kind Mike, tell us what you really think.

 

[Tigerbob]

Either Dimma is a tactical genius and is hiding all his cards, or we are going to have a very slow start to the season.

I expected a slow start either way, whether we won yesterday or not.

We have a lot of learning to do, there are the vast majority of teams better than us. That means we will start slow and hopefully as the season roars on we will improve and improve to a better standard than the end of last season.

At the end of the Carlton game last year in Round One, the same attitude was taken by the select few questioning Hardwick. Everyone has the right, but it was overboard for someone who had just got the job and turned the list over significantly. Well he's had 12 months and turned the list over again, as we all wanted. Again, those select few are at it again, wanting to be right in their opinions on a fan forum.

As the year wore on last year we witnessed the improvement. Let's just wait, catch our breathe and have a good look again. Finals is a pipe dream for us this year, so what's the issue?

Season 2011 hasn't started yet. I have been reminding my Essendon mates about that, looks like we need the same advice.

 

[Harry]

Ive been saying since day one we got stooged by getting dimma the guy has know clue about modern day footy im sorry guys i wont him to be a success but i dnt see it

you give full support to the coach but there needs to be signs that he's building a game plan that can compete in the modern game and a team that can execute it. Don't care about the results but there needs to be signs.

3 words are critical to me. Run To Receive. Non-existent in our game plan. Either Dimma doesn't rate this aspect or the players cannot execute it at all. It's his second pre-season - there needs to be some sign. No coach is immune from criticism. The last thing we need is another 5 year term where we have gone no-where....again.

 

[evo]

I expected a slow start either way, whether we won yesterday or not.

We have a lot of learning to do, there are the vast majority of teams better than us. That means we will start slow and hopefully as the season roars on we will improve and improve to a better standard than the end of last season.

If you look at Adelaide's list now, apart from Rutten, Stevens and Johncock it is not a very old list. Why is they are looking like a well oiled machine, as mikee just said, whereas 'it is to be expected' that we look like the Narre Warren u/13s?

Let's just wait, catch our breathe and have a good look again.

How about we comment as evidence come to hand. I don't see what is so heinous about talking about yesterdays game in a very negative light if that is what really happened.

Funnily enough it appears that Dimma actually agrees with the negative assessments - I'm glad he tore strips off them. If he posted on this thread last night under a pseudonym he probably would've been called a "sook" ;D

Finals is a pipe dream for us this year, so what's the issue?

The issue is we aren't doing the basics with 2 weeks to go before playing on the big stage in front of a lot of expectant footy fans.

Surely it's worthy of comment?

 

[Harry]

I expected a slow start either way, whether we won yesterday or not.

We have a lot of learning to do, there are the vast majority of teams better than us. That means we will start slow and hopefully as the season roars on we will improve and improve to a better standard than the end of last season.

At the end of the Carlton game last year in Round One, the same attitude was taken by the select few questioning Hardwick. Everyone has the right, but it was overboard for someone who had just got the job and turned the list over significantly. Well he's had 12 months and turned the list over again, as we all wanted. Again, those select few are at it again, wanting to be right in their opinions on a fan forum.

As the year wore on last year we witnessed the improvement. Let's just wait, catch our breathe and have a good look again. Finals is a pipe dream for us this year, so what's the issue?

Season 2011 hasn't started yet. I have been reminding my Essendon mates about that, looks like we need the same advice.

See what you are saying Bob, but why have we come to a complete stop again and started where we were this time last year. i'm not expecting us to be roaring at this time of year but I am expecting to see an improvement in our overall style of play and game plan. What I saw yesterday indicated that we have gone backwards from last preseason.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

you give full support to the coach but there needs to be signs that he's building a game plan that can compete in the modern game and a team that can execute it. Don't care about the results but there needs to be signs.

3 words are critical to me. Run To Receive. Non-existent in our game plan. Either Dimma doesn't rate this aspect or the players cannot execute it at all. It's his second pre-season - there needs to be some sign. No coach is immune from criticism. The last thing we need is another 5 year term where we have gone no-where....again.

Leave the gutt running to those who are capable of to when the real stuff starts.Perfect example yesterday was Lids.Probally one of his worst games ever in terms of his lack of run.Also apparently the crows use of the interchange was almost double of ours.Seems we prefer to get gametime into our legs rather than getting a result.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

Leave the gutt running to those who are capable of to when the real stuff starts.Perfect example yesterday was Lids.Probally one of his worst games ever in terms of his lack of run.Also apparently the crows use of the interchange was almost double of ours.Seems we prefer to get gametime into our legs rather than getting a result.

And isn't that largely what the pre season is all about? Did anybody honestly expect anything other than a long year of a young side learning the game? I certainly didn't.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

And isn't that largely what the pre season is all about? Did anybody honestly expect anything other than a long year of a young side learning the game? I certainly didn't.

The Cyrstal ball thread pretty much sums it up for most.On average we,ll finish in the bottom 4.

 

[evo]

Good to see at least Dimma thinks it wasn't acceptable.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hardwick-hits-out-at-tigers-20110311-1brec.html

He conceded that work was needed on the Tigers' starts, possibly even a change to the warm-up routine, and lamented the inability to move the ball out of defence with any fluency against a Crows outfit that hounded and hustled, in keeping with coach Neil Craig's mantra.

'We didn't have a lot of handball receives, just went backwards, sideways and all that sort of stuff, which is not how we want to play,''

 

[Rantnrave]

yeah..i went along yesterday..god it was as awful a performance as ive ever seen..cant think of many positives...i liked houli a lot, thought he was in it a lot in the 2nd and 3rd quaters..poor rance and luke mcguanne were just under constant attack, tho they help up ok...white and astbury are not backmen
it was gut wrenching to think we might be in for yet another totally crap year.Im not hoping for much more than say 8 wins at best..10 would be a miracle. but i want a competition,even if we lose,i can barely stand another year were we get flogged a whole bunch of times .i want to see another 5 or 6 players look like there going to be up there with lids,jack,cotch, and martin....i also think jack should stay were he plays best at full foward with morton,nearby, mitch is one of our better goal scorers and we need them,..anyway..just a practice match, i prey like crazy that the blues game is not another debacle..worst of all my 11 year old son, who comes week in and week out with me is losing interest, by half time yesterday he was watching you tube on my mobile...

 

[TimTamMan]

It's as simple as this.

When you are down the bottom, practice matches should be played like grand finals.
When you are at the top practice matches are about fine tuning

We are not at the fine tuning stage.

And yet the players seem half drugged and stunned. Despite imploring by the coaching staff our team (regardless who is playing) seem to be lost in a fog.

Just look at Essendon, they chase, they tackle, they pressure, nothing is a lost cause, I can not honsetly and with regret say the same about our players.

It is time for the players to takew charge of their destiny

 

[fastin bulbous]

Good to see at least Dimma thinks it wasn't acceptable.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hardwick-hits-out-at-tigers-20110311-1brec.html

Thats crystal balls mate...important distinction

 

[brigadiertiger]

I think our good form late last year means squat to be honest. We were conned into thinking our good form in late 2008 would take us to the finals in 2009 and look how that turned out. I know it is only a practice match, but the signs aren't good and it isn't a good way to go into the season proper. We are in for another long year.

We were always going to have a long season 15th last year with a young list we were always going to be bottom 4.