Rich Vs Adel (March 11th, 2011)-Teams [Merged]

[Tigerbob]

Good mate of mine is coached by a well respected recently retired AFL player from a successful club and he doesn't rate kicking on you none preferred side at all. If you can do it, great, and it gets taught to juniors, but he's not fussed at all about players being one sided.

I was coached by a North Melb Premiership player from the 70's, back in the day, and he had the same opinion. I was very left footed and he encouraged me to use it as often as posible. Can see the logic in it. Although would of liked it if my junior coaches forced me to train more with my right.......

 

[White Lightning]

Good mate of mine is coached by a well respected recently retired AFL player from a successful club and he doesn't rate kicking on you none preferred side at all. If you can do it, great, and it gets taught to juniors, but he's not fussed at all about players being one sided.

I rest my case ;D

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

I was coached by a North Melb Premiership player from the 70's, back in the day, and he had the same opinion. I was very left footed and he encouraged me to use it as often as posible. Can see the logic in it. Although would of liked it if my junior coaches forced me to train more with my right.......

I'm guessing you had the same problem many lefties have in juniors that it's so easy for them to fake right and go left there is no incentive to learn.

Back to Nahas, he is one player who would gain a bit from being two sided because he gets pushed off his kick so easily he needs the extra half a meter being two sided gives you. However most AFL players kick with their preferred foot at goal no matter where they are I reckon

 

[Phar Ace]

Had a minor revelation recently - I'm right handed/footed, a great three point shot on the right, can't reach the basket on the left. Same kicking for goal. Stay with me, it's not about me.

For 30 something years, perhaps 10,000 times, I've applied shaving creme with my left hand - don't have to think about it at all. Damaged my left hand recently - went to apply shaving creme with my right, and initially thought, this is not a tricky task. Managed it but geez it was awkward, and not really a great job - but I'm dominately right handed.

My point - repetition is everything! Was never taught shaving creme application techniques on my left, just did it often enough to be better on my left.

Level 1 AFL coaching requires, and rightly so, to have kids / players practice as much on the non-preferred side for good reason. I'd even argue, that with enough repetition you could become better on your initially non-preferred side. It's really a question of time, will and repeated practice.

Wished I had that said to me back when I was 10-15.

 

[shamekha]

10-15 yrs ago your right.Perfect example on Friday was in the 3rd.The ball was on our left half fwd Flank.Nahas got some space and tried a outside of his Right boot dribble shot for goal.Now Clubs would have done their home work on Nahas and acted accordingly.He,ll be a liability to the side.Greg Tivendale is another perfect example.Once clubs worked him out his career went downhill.

Agree totally

 

[allybabe]

Had a minor revelation recently - I'm right handed/footed, a great three point shot on the right, can't reach the basket on the left. Same kicking for goal. Stay with me, it's not about me.

For 30 something years, perhaps 10,000 times, I've applied shaving creme with my left hand - don't have to think about it at all. Damaged my left hand recently - went to apply shaving creme with my right, and initially thought, this is not a tricky task. Managed it but geez it was awkward, and not really a great job - but I'm dominately right handed.

My point - repetition is everything! Was never taught shaving creme application techniques on my left, just did it often enough to be better on my left.

Level 1 AFL coaching requires, and rightly so, to have kids / players practice as much on the non-preferred side for good reason. I'd even argue, that with enough repetition you could become better on your initially non-preferred side. It's really a question of time, will and repeated practice.

Wished I had that said to me back when I was 10-15.

Can just see Dimma reproducing that shving cream story on the eve of a big game!

 

[Phar Ace]

Can just see Dimma reproducing that shving cream story on the eve of a big game!

I'm sorry you missed my point then SallyAlly ;D

Allan Jeans does a great sausage story before a game 8)

 

[Sir]

Had a minor revelation recently - I'm right handed/footed, a great three point shot on the right, can't reach the basket on the left. Same kicking for goal. Stay with me, it's not about me.

For 30 something years, perhaps 10,000 times, I've applied shaving creme with my left hand - don't have to think about it at all. Damaged my left hand recently - went to apply shaving creme with my right, and initially thought, this is not a tricky task. Managed it but geez it was awkward, and not really a great job - but I'm dominately right handed.

My point - repetition is everything! Was never taught shaving creme application techniques on my left, just did it often enough to be better on my left.

Level 1 AFL coaching requires, and rightly so, to have kids / players practice as much on the non-preferred side for good reason. I'd even argue, that with enough repetition you could become better on your initially non-preferred side. It's really a question of time, will and repeated practice.

Wished I had that said to me back when I was 10-15.

Just thought I'd add a bit of a twist

Once heard a story about Admiral Hyman Rickover "the father of the Nuclear Navy".

He was a little on the crazy side - but it got him to where he was - the revered Admiral of the US Submarine Navy.

Everyone of his Captains was required to join him for an interview before he would subsequently "annoint" them.

He would ask: which hand do you use to shave?"

If the respondent/candidate said "with my right/left" without hesitation - he would pass on their selection!

Seems very harsh in the modern world (I'm sure he'd be sued now) - BUT - his theory was that he didn't want any "creatures of habit" in Command of a nuclear submarine - he wanted fighters that could think outside the box - and win the Cold War using iniative etc.

Just an anecdote

 

[Leysy Days]

Great story Pharace. & so true about teaching kids at a young age to use there non-preferred.

It makes such a difference at AFL level. Look at Steele Sidebottom, largely because of his dual sidedness he was able to stand up in grand finals against larger opponents. He could turn either way in tight situations against a high pressure opponent & be Norm Smith worthy in 2 GF's. He kicks on one foot he folds in those matches.

On Nahas, because of his build he needs to take a wider arch to get around defenders. He cant shrug tackles like most can. His lack of a left gets found out because of this & INO will be the major reason why he wont finish with a long term career.

As a side note on this topic, have a look at a Fremantle recruit that Navy absolutely loved in last years draft. Completely dual sided that will always enable him to "buy" himself time at the elite level. Reckon he was an outstanding pick who will prove himself far better than many taken above him. His name Jayden Pitt.

 

[linuscambridge]

I can just see the forum posts in 6 weeks when we are flogged in the first four games.

GET MALTHOUSE!!!

Inside word around town is that Buckley is responsible for most of the defensive structures that helped bring Collingwood the flag last year.

You may be after the wrong bloke Diggler.

 

[waiting since 80]

Inside word around town is that Buckley is responsible for most of the defensive structures that helped bring Collingwood the flag last year.

You may be after the wrong bloke Diggler.

Agree bridge, word was getting around town that Dimma was responsible for defensive structures at Hawthorn in 2008.

 

[Scoop]

Can't fathom how any can advocate not being dual sided.

The amount of time that it takes to get back on the natural foot allows teams to push back and clog space. You need ball movement at pace. Just getting the ball and going the quickest way home is the key.

Put that with Nahas size and he has some huge obstacles. Would take Sidebottom, Pitt types as the norm.

 

[tigerdave]

Anyone that can kick just as good on their non-preferred has a massive advantage over their rivals and will be looked at with interest especially at Junior levels.

One of the best players i've seen in my time on his opposite side was John Barnes.For such a big man he had a lovely left leg and if you didn't know what his preferred side was you were left scratching your head.

I dont' care what anyone say's,but being able to use your non-preferred side without panic in any situation makes you a better footballer than those that are one dimensional.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Can't fathom how any can advocate not being dual sided.

The amount of time that it takes to get back on the natural foot allows teams to push back and clog space. You need ball movement at pace. Just getting the ball and going the quickest way home is the key.

Put that with Nahas size and he has some huge obstacles. Would take Sidebottom, Pitt types as the norm.

I don't think anyone would say that it dual sidedness isn't a useful advantage, much better to be dual sided than not, but for most players I reckon it is not a deal breaker.

To contradict myself slightly, Nahas is one I reckon who is does really suffer from being one sided though I reckon.

 

[White Lightning]

Can't fathom how any can advocate not being dual sided.

The amount of time that it takes to get back on the natural foot allows teams to push back and clog space. You need ball movement at pace. Just getting the ball and going the quickest way home is the key.

Put that with Nahas size and he has some huge obstacles. Would take Sidebottom, Pitt types as the norm.

No one here is disagreeing that being dual sided doesn't have it's advantages, what I am saying it's not the be all and end all. In Nahas' case we were discussing that particular situation where the problem was his compusure, if he had steadied himself he would've kicked that goal and this would be a non issue. That's the difference. In Nahas'case if you look at how he runs, he doesn't run in straight lines but on angles ala the Krakour brothers. By doing this you are gaining enough space from your opponent and creatin indecision in the mind of the opponent. this eleminates your reasoning by allowing teams to push back and clog up space... This was evident with his runs on Friday. He was running in a straight lines only to cut back in on his left and deliver the ball to the leading forward. His main advantage is his speed

Look at the best skilled kicks in the comp; Aaron Davey never uses his non preferred,Hodge never uses his non preferred Goodard rarely, even Milne doesn't . He seems to be one sided but that hasn't affected him either.

 

[Tigers of Old]

37 pages? Yuck.
Sounds like a good game to have missed. :-\

 

[hellenictiger]

Anyone that can kick just as good on their non-preferred has a massive advantage over their rivals and will be looked at with interest especially at Junior levels.

One of the best players i've seen in my time on his opposite side was John Barnes.For such a big man he had a lovely left leg and if you didn't know what his preferred side was you were left scratching your head.

I dont' care what anyone say's,but being able to use your non-preferred side without panic in any situation makes you a better footballer than those that are one dimensional.

Leon cameron was another who would not really have a preferred foot.

But I do know Tommy hafey always said he would rather a player straighten up on their preferred foot. I agree, as long as there is time there is no point doing it. Chris Judd does it well when he bursts out to the left he can straighten on the right foot.

 

[Big Cat Lover]

His main advantage is his speed

Look at the best skilled kicks in the comp; Aaron Davey never uses his non preferred,Hodge never uses his non preferred Goodard rarely, even Milne doesn't . He seems to be one sided but that hasn't affected him either.

Nahas is not quick, he might look it with his little legs pumping but he does not have genuine speed - he gets caught tto often to be called quick.
The other guys you mention have a few other advantages -
Davey - real speed
Hodge - size, grunt, left footed so has ability to baulk and get away with it
Goodard - what doesn't he have
Milne - quicker and more elusive than Nahas, and much better at reading the play - gun forward pocket

 

[Tigerdog]

Just on Goddard, he was caned for his first three years or so. I was one of them. It took him a lot of seasons to get to where he is.

Nahas is one sided and too light to get away with it. Every game in the pre-season he has kicked at goal on the outside of his right boot and missed. A few of those chances he could have dribbled it 20m or so for a goal on his left. It is a fundamental skill all players should have. Right footers if nothing else. Even if you can only kick well 30m on your opposite foot, it buys you so many options.
I used to be a better pass on my left than my right but I couldn't kick over a jam tin on either. ;D
Back to Nahas. He is not a natural crumbing forward. Misses too many set shots and isn't great on the snap. It's not instinctual.
The closest we have to a natural crumbing forward is Hicks and he looks nowhere near a senior gig any time soon. Unfortunately because I think he has the ability and it is one of the key ingredients we desperately need.
And after that, well we all have high hopes for Taylor but what the hell category you put him into is anyones guess...after that, who are you left with?
Draw a blank?


We never really recruit them.



Nathan Foley is the best natural crumbing forward at the RFC at the moment. Or maybe he is the best impersonator.
Eddie Betts was a very cheap option awhile back.

 

[bowden4president]

The closest we have to a natural crumbing forward is Hicks and he looks nowhere near a senior gig any time soon. Unfortunately because I think he has the ability and it is one of the key ingredients we desperately need.
And after that, well we all have high hopes for Taylor but what the hell category you put him into is anyones guess...after that, who are you left with?
Draw a blank?

MacDonald? I believe he can kick with both feet also ;D