Rhyan Mansell welcome to Tigerland

[Willo]

Exactly, but we are more closer to 1990-2010 atm. Castagna in his time was a much better small forward than Mansell will ever be, but he did have the quality around him.

Subjective whether George was better as a small forward. But his efforts certainly paid dividends with 3 premiership medals.

Fair point about the quality around him.

 

[yo_eddy]

A quick look at recent premiership teams is interesting. There is usually a dominant key forward, a secondary forward (often but not always a tall) and a group of smaller forwards or occasional forwards (eg a ruck who pushes forward or a midfielder). The point is I guess that a goal a game return from a defensive small forward like Mansell, if we extrapolate and give him 24 a year, is a good return. That is, if there's someone kicking 50-60 and a few others chiming in.

2017: Jack (54), Dusty (37), Butler (30), Castagna (26) D Rioli (25)
2018: Darling (48), Kennedy (43), Cripps (38), Le Cras (32), Rioli (28)
2019: Lynch (63), Dusty (32), Castagna (27), Jack (24), Lambert (18)
2020: Jack (33), Lynch (32), Dusty (22), Castagna (17), Bolton (15)
2021: Fritsch (59), Pickett (40), McDonald (33), Petracca (29)
2022: Hawkins (67), Cameron (65), Stengel (53), Close (26)
2023: Mihocek (47), Elliott (39), Hill (33), Johnson (21), McStay (20)

Couple of other obvious observations here too. Frisch had some sort of year in 2021 and the Scats are deep in the brown stuff when Hawkins goes and Cameron's output declines.

 

[Mr Brightside]

Reckon Nigel is neither the problem or the answer , one thing I like about him is he leaves it all out there , not convinced all of the other recent draftees do .

 

[Tiggy Train]

A quick look at recent premiership teams is interesting. There is usually a dominant key forward, a secondary forward (often but not always a tall) and a group of smaller forwards or occasional forwards (eg a ruck who pushes forward or a midfielder). The point is I guess that a goal a game return from a defensive small forward like Mansell, if we extrapolate and give him 24 a year, is a good return. That is, if there's someone kicking 50-60 and a few others chiming in.

2017: Jack (54), Dusty (37), Butler (30), Castagna (26) D Rioli (25)
2018: Darling (48), Kennedy (43), Cripps (38), Le Cras (32), Rioli (28)
2019: Lynch (63), Dusty (32), Castagna (27), Jack (24), Lambert (18)
2020: Jack (33), Lynch (32), Dusty (22), Castagna (17), Bolton (15)
2021: Fritsch (59), Pickett (40), McDonald (33), Petracca (29)
2022: Hawkins (67), Cameron (65), Stengel (53), Close (26)
2023: Mihocek (47), Elliott (39), Hill (33), Johnson (21), McStay (20)

Couple of other obvious observations here too. Frisch had some sort of year in 2021 and the Scats are deep in the brown stuff when Hawkins goes and Cameron's output declines.

Townsend was the third tall in 17 mate. Dusty was the icing on the cake man when he rested .

 

[Tiggy Train]

A quick look at recent premiership teams is interesting. There is usually a dominant key forward, a secondary forward (often but not always a tall) and a group of smaller forwards or occasional forwards (eg a ruck who pushes forward or a midfielder). The point is I guess that a goal a game return from a defensive small forward like Mansell, if we extrapolate and give him 24 a year, is a good return. That is, if there's someone kicking 50-60 and a few others chiming in.

2017: Jack (54), Dusty (37), Butler (30), Castagna (26) D Rioli (25)
2018: Darling (48), Kennedy (43), Cripps (38), Le Cras (32), Rioli (28)
2019: Lynch (63), Dusty (32), Castagna (27), Jack (24), Lambert (18)
2020: Jack (33), Lynch (32), Dusty (22), Castagna (17), Bolton (15)
2021: Fritsch (59), Pickett (40), McDonald (33), Petracca (29)
2022: Hawkins (67), Cameron (65), Stengel (53), Close (26)
2023: Mihocek (47), Elliott (39), Hill (33), Johnson (21), McStay (20)

Couple of other obvious observations here too. Frisch had some sort of year in 2021 and the Scats are deep in the brown stuff when Hawkins goes and Cameron's output declines.

in 21 BROWN was another tall forward option. It was his last good season

 

[yo_eddy]

Townsend was the third tall in 17 mate. Dusty was the icing on the cake man when he rested .

Point taken butI'm just talking about goals kicked.

 

[Tiggy Train]

Point taken butI'm just talking about goals kicked.

harsh on Townsend as he was forward last 5 games. lol

 

[yo_eddy]

harsh on Townsend as he was forward last 5 games. lol

Haha. Yeah, good return from 5 games admittedly.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

Mansell is a mediocre player in a mediocre side. We’ll have to use him until we can find an upgrade.

 

[Brodders17]

And that's the part I take umbrage with, 25 goals a season. Daniel Rioli did it once as a small forward, Shai Bolton will do it for a third time this year it's not easy.

25 goals is a good return for a small forward.
Mansell has kicked 7 goals in his last 6 games, with about 10 disposals/game. You said he wasnt getting the job done with those stats. I reckon he is. Maybe not quote AA numbers, but as a fierce small i reckon they are ok.

 

[Redford]

Limited talent but always has a go and often surprises with some great play at times. No problem with Mansell. There will be ups and downs but far fewer downs than with a bunch of others that continue to get games.

 

[tigersnake]

Mansell is a mediocre player in a mediocre side. We’ll have to use him until we can find an upgrade.

Barking up the wrong tree. Every side, good bad and ugly, has players like Mansell. We have to find new young star players that is the task in front of us. As far as role playing players go, Mansell is fine. As Mr B says, he is neither the problem or the answer.

 

[UKTiger]

A trier and a good tackler but limited in so many other ways that are essential to an AFL career. However, no doubt he will continue to get a game until we can get a small forward skilful enough to replace him. It does show how substandard our recruitment policies have been over the recent years that we have to rely on the types like Ryan

 

[Smoking Aces]

Mansell is a mediocre player in a mediocre side. We’ll have to use him until we can find an upgrade.

No worse than Owies, Fantasia.

 

[Merveille]

Barking up the wrong tree. Every side, good bad and ugly, has players like Mansell. We have to find new young star players that is the task in front of us. As far as role playing players go, Mansell is fine. As Mr B says, he is neither the problem or the answer.

Go back through the last 12 premiership teams and give me your Mansel equivalents?
Butler and George both were better in my opinion.
Agree he gets a game for now and is so honest, but all teams don’t have him in my opinion, at least not top 12 teams

 

[Brodders17]

13 disposals, 1 goal and some great tackling as a small forward in a team that got best by 10 goals.
Reasonable effort.

 

[tigersnake]

A trier and a good tackler but limited in so many other ways that are essential to an AFL career. However, no doubt he will continue to get a game until we can get a small forward skilful enough to replace him. It does show how substandard our recruitment policies have been over the recent years that we have to rely on the types like Ryan

What are these sub-standard recruitment policies you speak of? If I knew what they were I might be able to comment on whether or not that 'shows how substandard they are'. The record shows we've done well on junk draft picks, Mansell included. The issue, my dear UK, is AFL equalisation policies, not our recruitment policies.

 

[thegdog]

13 disposals, 1 goal and some great tackling as a small forward in a team that got best by 10 goals.
Reasonable effort.

Tries, but never looks dangerous and couldn’t rove a pack to save himself. Badly need a dangerous crumbing small forward who is good in the air/ground/defensively. Mansell ain’t it.

 

[spook]

He's playing the role we'd ideally have Lefau playing. We're forced to use him as a marking target way too much.

 

[Little Ziggyadee]

Tries, but never looks dangerous and couldn’t rove a pack to save himself. Badly need a dangerous crumbing small forward who is good in the air/ground/defensively. Mansell ain’t it.

We had 45 crumbling forwards and now we have Mansell. Who couldn't snap a goal in a 12's game.
I'm sick of tired of players getting games that don't influence the game