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lukeanddad said:
Thursty played on O'loughlin in his first game in his first season and was given big jobs in his first year.
Different player with a real defender's temperament and footy smarts. Although slight his main strength is staying in the contest with talls and smalls.
Rance and Willy are chalk and cheese
I thought we were burned by the JON scenario.
Isn't it better to actually draft a footballer rather than draft a willing athelete and then having to teach them how to play.
I thought the role of the recruiter was to pick kids who can actually play.
Without being too unfair to Rance, shouldn't we be comparing him with Pears and Hurley and Post, most younger (and most went later in the draft) and already showing aptitude and at times control over opponents in key positions.
There is a reason Pears played on Fev and rance didn't.
Isn't it better to actually draft a footballer rather than draft a willing athelete and then having to teach them how to play.
I thought the role of the recruiter was to pick kids who can actually play.
Without being too unfair to Rance, shouldn't we be comparing him with Pears and Hurley and Post, most younger (and most went later in the draft) and already showing aptitude and at times control over opponents in key positions.
There is a reason Pears played on Fev and rance didn't.
Give him one more Pre-season to polish up on his hand and foot skills.Now im not saying he has to be like Deledio like with his disposal but for christ sake at least get the basics right.
lamb22 said:
Hurley went what top 5?
Post was 19 when picked and had played an extra year at TAC.
Pears fair enough.
Rance has too many flaws to iron out. I hope the club trades him. Opposition supporters are saying they would take him in a heartbeat. Stocks are still high imo. No room for players in the mould of King, Rance, McGuane, Jackson, White.. Way too many dud kicks and users of the football and these guys are in our 22!
lukeanddad said:
Thursty debuted at 19 and given key jobs. When he did his knee in 2006 he was playing on and beating Riewoldt, already acknowledged as a top young defensive prospect and was either still 19 or had just turned 20.
In the words of the immortal bard "You get real!!"
FYI
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/81546/default.aspx
WesternTiger said:
Pears Hurley and Post are all younger than Rance. I think Pears is still only 18.
Rance has had a full year of VFL before debut.
Pears and Post went later in the draft than Rance. Hurley is a gun.
In retrospect Pears and Ward at 18 and 19 was the way to go.
lamb22 said:
I agree with that in retrospect. Cotchin, Pears and Ward would have sounded infinitely better than Cotchin, Rance and McMahon. But, it didn't happen that way and we need to deal with what we've got. We need to work with Rance because he's definitely got the size and courage to make it, just needs to work on the skills, decision making and awareness side. Whether he can or he can't, we have made the investment now and must stick with it.
Pears plays on a team which lacks depth in its defensive KPP options so he is guaranteed a game. Rance plays in a team that has lots of competition and had a serious injury this year.
Given the KKP defenders are one of the slowest developing position I wouldn’t be making any calls for at least 18 months about Pears vs. Rance.
Given the KKP defenders are one of the slowest developing position I wouldn’t be making any calls for at least 18 months about Pears vs. Rance.
Col.W.Kurtz said:
Fair enough. And further to my last post, Cotchin, Rance and Ward or Cotchin, Pears and Ward both look infinitely better than Cotchin, Rance and McMahon....pick the reason!!
Retrospect is a great tool when assessing draft pick success.
Thursty was Rising star nominee in 07 - aged 21. Happy to revisit the discussion in two years' time when Alex is 21. Frankly, if Alex is playing with Will's ability at 21, I'd be very happy.
By Will's admission, he tool a lot for granted this year and paid a price. I hope his recent improvement came from a desire to be a good footballer, rather than a concern that a new coach may get rid of him.
Thursty was Rising star nominee in 07 - aged 21. Happy to revisit the discussion in two years' time when Alex is 21. Frankly, if Alex is playing with Will's ability at 21, I'd be very happy.
By Will's admission, he tool a lot for granted this year and paid a price. I hope his recent improvement came from a desire to be a good footballer, rather than a concern that a new coach may get rid of him.
BrisTiger24 said:
You add McMahon in and everything sound better, Chimp, Selwod, Rance sounds great to me.
IMHO Rance could have been used in Silvesters role at Coburg for his development a lot this year, yes a bit unfair on the Cat, however he played super footy as a FB for WA
lukeanddad said:
Gee what twaddle - just admit you were wrong and fess up. Thursty was way ahead of Rance at 19 and you stated he wasn't even on our list.
The rising star nomination came when he was 21 because he had already sustained and overcame a horror knee injury at an age younger than Rance is now and missed over 12 months.
The sad thing is that Will lost a bit of speed and spring as a result of the knee as well as 1 or 2 years vital development.
Some people forget too quickly. Without the knee injury Will would be approaching 100 games not 50 and IMO would be established as one of the better backs in the comp
I don't think there is such a thing as a happy tigers fan? I've gradually gone from the laugh/cry stage to the same old same old stage. Hopefully that doesn't warp into the indifferent stage.Streak said:
