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Pick 9 ND 2012 – Who should we pick?
- Thread starter AstuteTiger
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Josh Simpson - After the fall from grace of Dayle Garlett, I think it's safe to say that Josh Simpson will be the first player selected from WA. Not that he's a thoroughbred Sandgroper either, having moved back to WA this year after spending two years in SA learning his craft. And it's been quite a steep learning curve for the lad from Yalgoo - where the hell is Yagoo one might say? Well, it's about 200km from Geraldton and is currently the place where Simpson's young family resides.
So what are his footballing credentials and where does he stand in the pecking order? Well, he's likely to go in the first 15 and the smart money seems to be on Gold Coast nabbing him with slection 13. The big appeal with Simpson is his hurt factor as he doesn't need a ton of possessions to make a significant impact on a match. He's slippery and unpredictable as he can weave through traffic and kick effectively on either side of his body. Couple that with good speed, agility and endurance and you get a sense as to why he's the most sought after player from the West.
Despite the outstanding qualities of Simpson, he's a player who will no doubt polarise many recruiters. Some will argue that he doesn't get involved enough and isn't proficient enough in winning contested possession, they will probably point to his light frame and low disposal count to back that up. Others will point to a similar player like Lewis Jetta and claim that there's definitely a place for players who are predominantly outside and can dart around the field like a whippet on ice.
Personally, I think Simpson is a reasonable chance of making it as an AFL footballer but he's going to take a fair bit of time and patience. Let's not forget that Lewis Jetta was recruited as a mature-ager and had already played against men for 3 years. Simpson has played Colts and u/18 but hasn't yet experienced the true brutality of senior football. In my opinion, he'll need to pack on 10 kg before he's match ready and will also need to learn how to win a bit more contested football. It also concerns me that he's primarily an outside player yet had 3 matches at the carnival where his disposal efficiency was around the 55% mark. These aren't necessarily terminal problems, but they do indicate a fair bit of work lies ahead for the boy from Yagoo.
From a Richmond perspective, I wouldn't be using pick 9 and would be thinking twice about using a mid teens pick if I had one. There's also a chance Simpson will go the way of Zeph Skinner, although his time in SA probably tempers those fears somewhat. Let's just hope the club that lands him gives him every chance to succeed because he certainly has the potential to become an exciting player if developed accordingly.
So what are his footballing credentials and where does he stand in the pecking order? Well, he's likely to go in the first 15 and the smart money seems to be on Gold Coast nabbing him with slection 13. The big appeal with Simpson is his hurt factor as he doesn't need a ton of possessions to make a significant impact on a match. He's slippery and unpredictable as he can weave through traffic and kick effectively on either side of his body. Couple that with good speed, agility and endurance and you get a sense as to why he's the most sought after player from the West.
Despite the outstanding qualities of Simpson, he's a player who will no doubt polarise many recruiters. Some will argue that he doesn't get involved enough and isn't proficient enough in winning contested possession, they will probably point to his light frame and low disposal count to back that up. Others will point to a similar player like Lewis Jetta and claim that there's definitely a place for players who are predominantly outside and can dart around the field like a whippet on ice.
Personally, I think Simpson is a reasonable chance of making it as an AFL footballer but he's going to take a fair bit of time and patience. Let's not forget that Lewis Jetta was recruited as a mature-ager and had already played against men for 3 years. Simpson has played Colts and u/18 but hasn't yet experienced the true brutality of senior football. In my opinion, he'll need to pack on 10 kg before he's match ready and will also need to learn how to win a bit more contested football. It also concerns me that he's primarily an outside player yet had 3 matches at the carnival where his disposal efficiency was around the 55% mark. These aren't necessarily terminal problems, but they do indicate a fair bit of work lies ahead for the boy from Yagoo.
From a Richmond perspective, I wouldn't be using pick 9 and would be thinking twice about using a mid teens pick if I had one. There's also a chance Simpson will go the way of Zeph Skinner, although his time in SA probably tempers those fears somewhat. Let's just hope the club that lands him gives him every chance to succeed because he certainly has the potential to become an exciting player if developed accordingly.
Thanks Bully. Pleased youve excluded one bloke from our 9 calcs. I reckon weve had a strong case mounted on here for just about everyone in the top 15? I waver and think 'Jake Stringer 190/90 raging bull 
' then I think 'JonOrourke = chimp MKII ' then I read about Mayes and think 'He could be the next Brian Wood ' (It'd be good to see a 'Brian' in the draft wouldnt it?), but I keep coming back to GrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrUndies. The most exciting thing about this draft is, unless we make a balls up of richmondesque proportions, we are gonna have a ripper in Y&B on Friddy mornin'.
' then I think 'JonOrourke = chimp MKII ' then I read about Mayes and think 'He could be the next Brian Wood ' (It'd be good to see a 'Brian' in the draft wouldnt it?), but I keep coming back to GrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrUndies. The most exciting thing about this draft is, unless we make a balls up of richmondesque proportions, we are gonna have a ripper in Y&B on Friddy mornin'.
Thanks Bully.
I recon Simpson is gold. but too much of a risk at 9. What i like about this kid is his disposal, under pressure his kicking is fantastic.
Its funny but if you were drafting on "best fit" alone, I would say this kid would thrive at Sydney. With great indigenous role models like Goodes around.
GCS seems likely at 13
I recon Simpson is gold. but too much of a risk at 9. What i like about this kid is his disposal, under pressure his kicking is fantastic.
Its funny but if you were drafting on "best fit" alone, I would say this kid would thrive at Sydney. With great indigenous role models like Goodes around.
GCS seems likely at 13
Just avoided work for 2 hours and watched he top 20 highlight vids on the phantom draft afl.com. Based purely on these highlight vids, heres my rankings
1. Josh Simpson - phenominally 2 sided. The opposition have no idea which way he is going to go. their confusion gives him time to draw them in and then he gives it off precisely by hand or foot for maximum damage. IMO, this is exactly the player the Tigers need in our midfield. Is his baby a son? If so, this could be veiwed as a 2 for 1 deal, and if Simpson can manage to break KB's games record, we could be the first AFL side to field a father-son combination. I havnt seen footage of a player in the draft I would be more excited about seeing debut for the Tigers.
2. Brodie Grundy - Looks like a TV clone when up forward, with Dean Cox tap ability when in the ruck and Benny Gales late-career nouse when down back. takes more contested marks in his highlights reel than adam pattison did his entire career. Yeah, I know, thats not saying a whole lot.
3. JonOrourke - Time, poise, speed, decision making, finishing. Seems to be one with the lot.
4. Sam Mayes - All class. goal kicker with Nathan Brown-like polish.
Any of these blokes at any number will have me very excited
Incidentally, Vlastuins highlights package is one of the most underwhelming I have ever seen. He looks the kind of footballer that Ross Lyon could build a team around.
1. Josh Simpson - phenominally 2 sided. The opposition have no idea which way he is going to go. their confusion gives him time to draw them in and then he gives it off precisely by hand or foot for maximum damage. IMO, this is exactly the player the Tigers need in our midfield. Is his baby a son? If so, this could be veiwed as a 2 for 1 deal, and if Simpson can manage to break KB's games record, we could be the first AFL side to field a father-son combination. I havnt seen footage of a player in the draft I would be more excited about seeing debut for the Tigers.
2. Brodie Grundy - Looks like a TV clone when up forward, with Dean Cox tap ability when in the ruck and Benny Gales late-career nouse when down back. takes more contested marks in his highlights reel than adam pattison did his entire career. Yeah, I know, thats not saying a whole lot.
3. JonOrourke - Time, poise, speed, decision making, finishing. Seems to be one with the lot.
4. Sam Mayes - All class. goal kicker with Nathan Brown-like polish.
Any of these blokes at any number will have me very excited
Incidentally, Vlastuins highlights package is one of the most underwhelming I have ever seen. He looks the kind of footballer that Ross Lyon could build a team around.
tigergollywog said:
Yeah I'm stuck over here and dont see the kiddies live but gee I have to agree with the Golly on this.
FWIW Grundy at SANFL level
Rd 8
8 disposals 1 mark 7 hitouts 0.0
Rd 16
9 disposals 4 marks 7 hitouts 0.0
Rd 17
6 disposals 0 marks 5 hitouts 0.0
Rd 18
3 disposals 1 marks 7 hitouts 0.0
Rd19
6 disposals 3 marks 15 hitouts 0.0
Rd 21
6 disposals 1 mark 31 hitouts 0.0
Rd 22
8 disposals 0 marks 22 Hitouts 0.0
Rd 24
5 disposals 1 mark 9 Hitouts 0.0
51 possessions in 8 games at a bit over 6 per game. Only 3 games managed to get double figure hitouts whilst not impacting on the scoreboard in any game with a grand total off 11 marks in 8 games. If we recruited him and he did that for Coburg I'd hate to see the reaction on here. IMO he'll turn out to be a pretty good player but he's certainly not the ready made prospect that people on here seem to think he is. Long way to go with Grundy.
Reserves level
Rd 5
4 disposals 0 marks 29 hitouts 0.0
Rd 7
13 disposals 4 marks 25 hitouts 0.2
Finals Week 1
13 disposals 4 marks 28 hitouts 1.0
Finals Week 2
7 disposals 1 mark 24 hitouts 0.0
Prelim Final
10 dispoals 1 mark 22 hitouts 0.0
47 disposals in 5 games at 9.4 per game. Averaging 25.6 hitouts and only 1 goal total at 3rds level. Remember what Big Browney did at 3rds level and he didn't get a game at AFL yet we think Grundy is ready-made.
Rd 8
8 disposals 1 mark 7 hitouts 0.0
Rd 16
9 disposals 4 marks 7 hitouts 0.0
Rd 17
6 disposals 0 marks 5 hitouts 0.0
Rd 18
3 disposals 1 marks 7 hitouts 0.0
Rd19
6 disposals 3 marks 15 hitouts 0.0
Rd 21
6 disposals 1 mark 31 hitouts 0.0
Rd 22
8 disposals 0 marks 22 Hitouts 0.0
Rd 24
5 disposals 1 mark 9 Hitouts 0.0
51 possessions in 8 games at a bit over 6 per game. Only 3 games managed to get double figure hitouts whilst not impacting on the scoreboard in any game with a grand total off 11 marks in 8 games. If we recruited him and he did that for Coburg I'd hate to see the reaction on here. IMO he'll turn out to be a pretty good player but he's certainly not the ready made prospect that people on here seem to think he is. Long way to go with Grundy.
Reserves level
Rd 5
4 disposals 0 marks 29 hitouts 0.0
Rd 7
13 disposals 4 marks 25 hitouts 0.2
Finals Week 1
13 disposals 4 marks 28 hitouts 1.0
Finals Week 2
7 disposals 1 mark 24 hitouts 0.0
Prelim Final
10 dispoals 1 mark 22 hitouts 0.0
47 disposals in 5 games at 9.4 per game. Averaging 25.6 hitouts and only 1 goal total at 3rds level. Remember what Big Browney did at 3rds level and he didn't get a game at AFL yet we think Grundy is ready-made.
Tony Braxton-Hicks
There are no stupid ideas, just stupid people
The AFL phantom draft is up and it has Grundy slipping to 14. But it also links us to McBean, so I had a look at his highlights. Most of them are ground level running involvements: he's very agile and can kick off both feet. As Borat would say: "Very nice!"
Addressing our ruck stocks using a later pick on McBean makes sense if the highlights package is any guide - but is it? Can anyone here elaborate?
Bullus?
Addressing our ruck stocks using a later pick on McBean makes sense if the highlights package is any guide - but is it? Can anyone here elaborate?
Bullus?
From Emma Quayles blog from earlier today;
Hi Emma, Great article on Vlastuin today. Do you think he is well and truly locked in at Richmond's pick? or are there a few they'll be considering until Thursday when they make the decision? Would they look at Mayes or Grundy if they slip?
Commenter Elliot
LocationBrooklyn
Date and timeNovember 20, 2012, 12:40PM
Thanks Elliot. I would say he's fairly safe there. Talking to some people today and they think they could go for Grundy but seems to me they've been into Vlastuin for a long time.
CommenterEmma
LocationDate and timeNovember 20, 2012, 12:44PMRead more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/draft-countdown-join-a-live-blog-with-emma-quayle-20121120-29mxs.html#ixzz2CjV8D9Lw
Hi Emma, Great article on Vlastuin today. Do you think he is well and truly locked in at Richmond's pick? or are there a few they'll be considering until Thursday when they make the decision? Would they look at Mayes or Grundy if they slip?
Commenter Elliot
LocationBrooklyn
Date and timeNovember 20, 2012, 12:40PM
Thanks Elliot. I would say he's fairly safe there. Talking to some people today and they think they could go for Grundy but seems to me they've been into Vlastuin for a long time.
CommenterEmma
LocationDate and timeNovember 20, 2012, 12:44PMRead more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/draft-countdown-join-a-live-blog-with-emma-quayle-20121120-29mxs.html#ixzz2CjV8D9Lw
Tony Braxton-Hicks said:
McBean isn't a ruck per se, he's mainly been playing defence and forward at u/18 level and still has a long way to go before competing with the 100kg heavyweights of the competition. He's got impressive skills for a 203cm lad but let's not forget that Dean Putt also had decent skills and didn't even play one game. If we're talking project rucks then McBean is the mother of all projects, he still needs to pile on a minimum of 15kg and basically learn how to become an accomplished tap ruckman. For mine, he'd be an ideal second ruck who could plug holes at either end of the ground.
tigs2010 said:
Who wants a ready made ruckman? I want GrundyPants starting to hit his straps in 3-4 years when Ivan retires and TV is peaking = formidible tandem act of monsters ala west coast ATM. I reckon based on his numbers against men as an 18 year old (especially the hit outs), he could play a valuable cameo in the first of our flag dynasty in 2-3 years. Sure Vlas could run around next year, but he'd have to get in the rebounding HBF'er queue.
Grundy is about as ready-made as Derickx, Wood and Stephenson. He'd essentially be called upon if Maric or Vickery went down. I'd much rather stitch up a 10 year ruckman than recruit a half glass empty type.
