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Pick 9 ND 2012 – Who should we pick?
- Thread starter AstuteTiger
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SCOOP said:
He's a much better prospect than Hislop, I don't ever recall Tommy being agile or quick, in fact I don't recall him ever being airbourne.
As for picking Lonergan, I would still pick Grundy, Macrae, Wines, Mayes and Plowman ahead of him. But I would pick him ahead of Vlastuin and Garner because I think he's a better chance of succeeding in the midfield.
bullus_hit said:
holy *smile*, this is remarkable
. 10 goals first game back after a bad busted leg? I think I want this bloke at 9 now Bully H. Vossy captained flags after busted leg.
Phantom said:
Come off it. Brent Crosswell, Wayne Johnson, Michael Long, McLeod, Maurice Rioli, Gary Ablett, Steve Johnson, Acker, Jetta, Daicos, thats just a few off the top of my head.
Superstars can sometimes be heavily tagged out of it and be serviceable rather than BOG (Carey) , but that can take pressure off teamates.
Did you do a Josh Simpson writeup Bully? If so I'll go back and find it, if not, any chance, thanks anyway, they're good!
tigersnake said:
bullus_hit said:
Hey Bullyballs, I thought we had you signed to an exclusive fulltime role. ;D
Good work mate, I think we're all enjoying getting some pointers from your writeups. :clap
GEDS1 said:
Macrae is just a super smart and creative player who is almost certain to make the grade, even if it's in a Grigg type role. If he manages to develop his inside game then you may as well mark him down as elite. All the skills are there, he's a big game player and he knows where the goals are. He could probably improve his long kicking a little, in that I mean drill it low and hard as opposed to giving it more hang time, but it's a relatively small gripe in the scheme of things. He's got the runs on the board, big possession tallies, standout finals performances, goal of the day type stuff. Well worth pick 9 and I will mighty disappointed if we overlook him for Vlastuin or Garner.
Lonergan on the other hand is still a bit of an unknown quantity. He's averageing high teens at the carnival but that's straight back from injury and playing with little support around him. I'd love to see him playing alongside a quality ruckman and with good midfield support, from what I've seen he positions himself well at the stoppages and is smart with his hands. The kicking is reasonable and the fact he was a dead-eye at the carnival indicates a pretty good goal kicking technique.
There's a couple of unknowns which push him down a bit, one is his pace in the first 5 metres, the first 3 steps are critical for an inside mid and I'd be getting him a sprint coach to try and get the pistons pumping early. But however you look at it, Lonergan is an impressive athlete and not just a footballer, this is where comaparisons with Hislop are well off the mark. He's quick after the first few paces, he's got a monster leap on him and he's powerfully built. The endurance still needs to be improved but that's to be expected. I'd be looking at him in a similar manner to Dane Swan, get him working as a burst player and benching him at regular intervals. Over time he'll be contributing more and more, until he's playing close to 100 minutes.
As for draft range, he'll probably be in the 15-25 range, I'd be stoked if was available at 32 but I suspect he'll go well before that.
Bloody hell Bully you could haves saved me the $6 I wasted on the footy paper if you had have said you'd be giving fantastic reports on every kid in the land...many many thanks Bully greatly appreciate ya time an effort :beer
Chris McDermott from Adelaidenow has Mayes sliding to 9, is he an even better bet than Macrae?
Thanks BH for continuing great draft summaries
Thanks BH for continuing great draft summaries
Tony Braxton-Hicks
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bullus_hit said:
I think we need a bit more of this: our forward entries and finishing had been woeful and he'd go some way to rectifying it.. There's going to be a good one available at nine which is why I'm flummoxed that we seem so heavily linked to someone whose best attribute is that he can tackle. I don't want to use pick 9 on a White/Jackson/Arnott type. There'll be one like that available at 43.
Herr_Tiger said:
Much less risk in my opinion. Mayes at the least will be a very good player in the mold of Brad Green (When he was good.) At best Mayes will be the next Ryan Griffen.
Herr_Tiger said:
Mayes > Macrae IMO. Love his balance, elite kick, especially at goal, smart running to the right places. I just love Mayes every time I see him. Looks like an elite AFL player.
I'm not sold on Macrae. He's a smooth mover no doubt, but is he dual-sided? Is he sure enough with his ball-handling to play inside? Does he have time against the kids he won't have in the AFL. His highlights vid shows a dropped overhead mark under little pressure, that he recovers from and wheels around onto the left to slot a sausage, but in the AFL, if the ball wasn't smashed 20m from him (or he was outmarked), he would have been cleaned up on recovery or run down from behind. I asked about his small hands because I don't trust his overhead marking any more than he does, and I reckon it's a reason for his kicking issues too. Can he gather and direct a handball amid half a dozen hunters intent on beating him to (and for) the pig? Small hands don't disqualify him, but they don't help.
I just had another look at Mayes and I'd prefer him too, he would add real class. I can see him as a wing-half-forward who will be a lovely cherry on top of a good midfield. Not an inside man either but can mark, knows how to get dangerous and great finisher.
I prefer Garner to Macrae because he's so strong overhead and goes so hard. He's the Dale Thomas if there is one. I had been keener on him than almost anyone bar Grundy and Menzel, but the second look at Mayes has me prevaricating. (I'll get back to you.)
I think Wines and Vlastuin are pretty sure bets to be good players who are up the physicality. Macrae, I would leave alone.
I just had another look at Mayes and I'd prefer him too, he would add real class. I can see him as a wing-half-forward who will be a lovely cherry on top of a good midfield. Not an inside man either but can mark, knows how to get dangerous and great finisher.
I prefer Garner to Macrae because he's so strong overhead and goes so hard. He's the Dale Thomas if there is one. I had been keener on him than almost anyone bar Grundy and Menzel, but the second look at Mayes has me prevaricating. (I'll get back to you.)
I think Wines and Vlastuin are pretty sure bets to be good players who are up the physicality. Macrae, I would leave alone.
