Pick 9 ND 2012 – Who should we pick?

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Re: Pick 9 ND 2012 – Who should we pick?

Agree Wines isn't top 5 quality. I'd take Vlastuin ahead of Wines due to his skills as well.

Interesting. I would prefer Wines as he appears a top flight mid, while Vlastuin could become one, but at the highest level he has played he was a back flank

 

[Scoop]

Agree Wines isn't top 5 quality. I'd take Vlastuin ahead of Wines due to his skills as well.

I'd take Wines every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Interesting. I would prefer Wines as he appears a top flight mid, while Vlastuin could become one, but at the highest level he has played he was a back flank

Wines has exposd form for the postion that you are hoping that Vlastuin can become over time.

 

[bullus_hit]

I'd take Wines every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Wines has exposd form for the postion that you are hoping that Vlastuin can become over time.

Agree, Wines has the runs on the board and even shades Vlastuin on his greatest strength - tackling.

 

[Brodders17]

Agree, Wines has the runs on the board and even shades Vlastuin on his greatest strength - tackling.

kicking?

 

[Stylo]

What are your thoughts on Stringer BH? Would you be happy for us to take him at 9 or is the risk too high?

 

[bullus_hit]

kicking?

Not brilliant but the same could be said for Swan, Watson, Swallow, Mitchell etc. You would pick a guy like Wines for his contested ball winning ability and fierce defensive pressure. I would say Wines is one of the best if not the best tackler in the draft.

 

[Smoking Aces]

Not brilliant but the same could be said for Swan, Watson, Swallow, Mitchell etc. You would pick a guy like Wines for his contested ball winning ability and fierce defensive pressure. I would say Wines is one of the best if not the best tackler in the draft.

How does Wines compare with Lonergan?

 

[bullus_hit]

What are your thoughts on Stringer BH? Would you be happy for us to take him at 9 or is the risk too high?

Jake Stringer - Firstly, I consider Jake to have the attributes which should translate beautifully to AFL football. He's a colossus of a man weighing in at an impressive 94kg and standing at 191cm. Now, remembering that Jake's season was marred by surgery, with the pins in his leg being removed in February, one may have expected his season to stutter into action as he adjusted to life back on the footy field. His first game back yielded a lazy 10 goals and 20 possessions in a display which shocked even his immediate family. He then followed that up with another 20 possession game and a further 4 goals. Unfortunately for Jake, his next 7 games would only yield 12 goals, and would be plagued with interruption as he attempted to manage the broken leg (which I'll get back to in a moment).

Now don't get me wrong but I think Stringer is a precocious talent, his marking can be pack busting at times and if there is anyone who can rival Jack Darling's feats at AFL level, it will be Stringer. My problem with him firstly stems around his ability to play as a midfielder, because that's ultimately where I believe he'll do most of his damage. Pre-injury, he was tipped to go in the mini-draft, that's how highly he was rated, but as we all know, the leg broke and no-one was willing to take the plunge. Since then he's a had a few runs in the middle but his output has been fairly inconsistent and his disposal numbers suggest he's not quite coping. Couple that with the fact that he's been seen limping around, and has what I consider to be a particularly stuttering approach to goal, I would be exercising maximum caution when weighing up his pros and cons.

The whole issue of broken legs and the impact it can have on a player can be seen in all it's glory when studying the career of Nathan Brown. His career was doomed once the leg snapped, his agility was severly impaired and the confidence to out bustle players went with it. It's one thing to get a medical clearance to play AFL, but that doesn't necessarily put you in a position to dominate and maximise your god given talents. With Stringer, I'm not so sure, he may well turn into the next version of Jack Darling or he may just become a so-so player that sits in the forward line and clunks the occasional contested mark. It's a big call and one which I wouldn't be inclined to use pick 9 on.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Re: Pick 9 ND 2012 – Who should we pick?

Agree, Wines has the runs on the board and even shades Vlastuin on his greatest strength - tackling.

It does seem a cut and dried case on exposed form. But is there any stock in the theory Vlastuin was held back by injury during the champs?

Btw I would pick Wines 99 times out of 100 but I trieing to fond reasons to be excited about Vlastuin

 

[Stylo]

Thanks BH, much appreciated

 

[bullus_hit]

How does Wines compare with Lonergan?

On exposed form you'd have to say Wines has the edge over Lonergan, his form in the TAC has been huge and he backed that up at the u/18 carnival. But in saying that, Lonergan has been injured all season and hasn't really been given a chance to show his wares against some quality opposition. I was disappointed that he didn't play against the heavyweights at the carnival because last season he acquitted himself really well for an underager.

Now in choosing between them, one has to either pick the guy who has a proven track record or instead opt for a player who probably has better physical attributes. Lonergan's combine results surprised everyone I think, and for a guy who's 182cm and weighs 91 kg, they were even more remarkable. Just for the record, he won the goalkicking test with a perfect score, came second in agility, came second in vertical jump and third in the running jump, and came 7th in the repeat sprints. He's also a powerful player who's difficult to pin and is capable of charging out of packs in a manner not too disimililar to Chris Judd.

I like both players but I have to say that Lonergan has been greatly undersold in the lead up to the draft and probably represents the best value of all the players in the top 30. I think had he been playing for a 1st division team, he would be in top 10 calculations. As it stands now, he'll probably land somewhere bewteen 15 & 25.

 

[bullus_hit]

It does seem a cut and dried case on exposed form. But is there any stock in the theory Vlastuin was held back by injury during the champs?

Btw I would pick Wines 99 times out of 100 but I trieing to fond reasons to be excited about Vlastuin

There's certainly a good case for arguing that injury has hampered Vlastuin, but one would then need to back that up with same tangible proof, perhaps on the back of some data from the combine. This is where Vlastuin doesn't provide a compelling case that he's certain to become a high production midfielder. He's not overly quick, his tank isn't amazing, his kicking is middle of the road, his agility is good without being exceptional and his creativity isn't really a feature of his game. For mine, he's a good all-rounder who will be a quality footballer but not necessarily a match-winning mid.

 

[pahoffm]

Re: Pick 9 ND 2012 – Who should we pick?

Jake Stringer - Firstly, I consider Jake to have the attributes which should translate beautifully to AFL football. He's a colossus of a man weighing in at an impressive 94kg and standing at 191cm. Now, remembering that Jake's season was marred by surgery, with the pins in his leg being removed in February, one may have expected his season to stutter into action as he adjusted to life back on the footy field. His first game back yielded a lazy 10 goals and 20 possessions in a display which shocked even his immediate family. He then followed that up with another 20 possession game and a further 4 goals. Unfortunately for Jake, his next 7 games would only yield 12 goals, and would be plagued with interruption as he attempted to manage the broken leg (which I'll get back to in a moment).

Now don't get me wrong but I think Stringer is a precocious talent, his marking can be pack busting at times and if there is anyone who can rival Jack Darling's feats at AFL level, it will be Stringer. My problem with him firstly stems around his ability to play as a midfielder, because that's ultimately where I believe he'll do most of his damage. Pre-injury, he was tipped to go in the mini-draft, that's how highly he was rated, but as we all know, the leg broke and no-one was willing to take the plunge. Since then he's a had a few runs in the middle but his output has been fairly inconsistent and his disposal numbers suggest he's not quite coping. Couple that with the fact that he's been seen limping around, and has what I consider to be a particularly stuttering approach to goal, I would be exercising maximum caution when weighing up his pros and cons.

The whole issue of broken legs and the impact it can have on a player can be seen in all it's glory when studying the career of Nathan Brown. His career was doomed once the leg snapped, his agility was severly impaired and the confidence to out bustle players went with it. It's one thing to get a medical clearance to play AFL, but that doesn't necessarily put you in a position to dominate and maximise your god given talents. With Stringer, I'm not so sure, he may well turn into the next version of Jack Darling or he may just become a so-so player that sits in the forward line and clunks the occasional contested mark. It's a big call and one which I wouldn't be inclined to use pick 9 on.

Sounds like an good 2nd round pick.

The fact that he is a 191cm, 94kg midfielder actually bodes well with developing into a mobile CHF.
In many ways, mobile CHFs are merely taller versions of the old-fashioned Centre player.
Hopefully, he overcomes his injury, especially if he ends up with us.

 

[pahoffm]

Re: Pick 9 ND 2012 – Who should we pick?

There's certainly a good case for arguing that injury has hampered Vlastuin, but one would then need to back that up with same tangible proof, perhaps on the back of some data from the combine. This is where Vlastuin doesn't provide a compelling case that he's certain to become a high production midfielder. He's not overly quick, his tank isn't amazing, his kicking is middle of the road, his agility is good without being exceptional and his creativity isn't really a feature of his game. For mine, he's a good all-rounder who will be a quality footballer but not necessarily a match-winning mid.

The argument for is that teams need hard workers in finals.

X-factor players are well known for disappearing in big finals, with Malcolm Blight being the best example.

Give me an Archer-like, skilled 'toiler' any day.

But, there are easily half a dozen players I would like to see at Tigerland before him, and if we can get one of these, ..........

 

[bullus_hit]

The argument for is that teams need hard workers in finals.

X-factor players are well known for disappearing in big finals, with Malcolm Blight being the best example.

Give me an Archer-like, skilled 'toiler' any day.

But, there are easily half a dozen players I would like to see at Tigerland before him, and if we can get one of these, ..........

Agree with the entire post, particularly the last sentence.

 

[Smoking Aces]

On exposed form you'd have to say Wines has the edge over Lonergan, his form in the TAC has been huge and he backed that up at the u/18 carnival. But in saying that, Lonergan has been injured all season and hasn't really been given a chance to show his wares against some quality opposition. I was disappointed that he didn't play against the heavyweights at the carnival because last season he acquitted himself really well for an underager.

Now in choosing between them, one has to either pick the guy who has a proven track record or instead opt for a player who probably has better physical attributes. Lonergan's combine results surprised everyone I think, and for a guy who's 182cm and weighs 91 kg, they were even more remarkable. Just for the record, he won the goalkicking test with a perfect score, came second in agility, came second in vertical jump and third in the running jump, and came 7th in the repeat sprints. He's also a powerful player who's difficult to pin and is capable of charging out of packs in a manner not too disimililar to Chris Judd.

I like both players but I have to say that Lonergan has been greatly undersold in the lead up to the draft and probably represents the best value of all the players in the top 30. I think had he been playing for a 1st division team, he would be in top 10 calculations. As it stands now, he'll probably land somewhere bewteen 15 & 25.

Thanks BH.

I would happily part with pick 9 for Lonergan.

 

[GEDS1]

Lonergan is a beast just watch as he power runs through and between blokes it's great to watch. If you had him and McCrae in a contest then it would be no contest Lonergan would rip him a new one. I for one want this guy at pick 9.

 

[Harry]

does lonergan get much of the ball?

 

[Mr Magic]

Is this Lonergan push based on any rumour that we are interested? Seems to have come out of the blue.

 

[Scoop]

*Hislop Alert*

This Lonergan talk has me mightly concerned. Would take a few before him at 9.