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Pick 9 ND 2012 – Who should we pick?
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Still talk on Garner all though he's a talent is he top 10 material? im not so sure but i cant remember a draft where we have been linked with up to 6-7 players for our first rounder....
Where can i see the draft
foxsport has it,i dont have foxsport,,,was thinking of getting a motel for the night
is it online anywhere,or only foxsport,,,
Love some info here,
Thanks in advance guys
foxsport has it,i dont have foxsport,,,was thinking of getting a motel for the night
is it online anywhere,or only foxsport,,,
Love some info here,
Thanks in advance guys
tigertigertigertiger said:
Most pubs or pokie places would have it just call em first....
Fox Footy LIVE 7pm-9pm EST
Just had a look at Matthew McDONOUGH highlights reel on the AFL site and he looks like a strong h/f 180cms/85kgs has good speed, skillful, dual sided and is very good overhead....He made the U/18 SA squad but i dont know much about this fella compared to others ive seen but for those in the know would he come into calculations for either of our pics 32, 34 or 43
PS: To see the 4 mins highlights vid go to the AFL site 'click on Video', near top of page a drop down menu appears then click on 'AFL videos', type in his name and click GO
PS: To see the 4 mins highlights vid go to the AFL site 'click on Video', near top of page a drop down menu appears then click on 'AFL videos', type in his name and click GO
AstuteTiger said:
Thanks astute,,,,but would struggle to keep everyone quiet in a pub
But at least i have the option
TT I also saw the quote about Stringer. It was supposed to be how he ran in the 3 km and what the experts noted. Next report I read was that he did not compete in the 3km!! Seems to be a lot of BS going on about the injury. A number of the vids were from his game in the VFL finals post break. He is only 18 so any comparison with Browny's break when late 20's needs a bit of perspective. If we pick him up he could play for 10 years so any 'risk' about next year's performance is also shortsighted. Would be happy with Grundy, Stringer, Toumpas, wines or Vlastuin in that order.
THE AGE - Emma Quayle on RICHMOND
In: Troy Chaplin, Aaron Edwards, Chris Knights.
Out: Andrew Browne, Daniel Connors, Angus Graham, Dean Macdonald, Kelvin Moore, Jayden Post, Jeromey Webberley.
Draft picks: 9, 32, 34, 43, 88, 100.
DEPTH CHARTS
TALL FORWARDS: Jack Riewoldt, Tyrone Vickery, Todd Elton, Luke McGuane.
TALL DEFENDERS: Alex Rance, Dylan Grimes, Troy Chaplin, David Astbury, Ben Griffiths, Ben Darrou (rookie).
SMALL/MEDIUM FORWARDS: Robin Nahas, Jake King, Chris Knights, Brett O'Hanlon.
SMALL/MEDIUM DEFENDERS: Chris Newman, Steven Morris, Jake Batchelor, Brandon Ellis, Bachar Houli, Matt Dea, Steven Verrier (rookie).
MIDFIELDERS: Trent Cotchin, Brett Deledio, Dustin Martin, Shaun Grigg, Reece Conca, Shane Edwards, Daniel Jackson, Nathan Foley, Brad Helbig, Shane Tuck, Matt White, Matthew Arnot.
RUCKS: Ivan Maric, Tom Derickx.
DRAFT DAY:
Things are starting to come together for Richmond, and although teams don't necessarily follow a linear path to success, the Tigers are maturing nicely in most parts of the ground. There's nothing they desperately need, although their midfield numbers - as good as Cotchin, Deledio and Martin are, with Ellis to perhaps evolve into an onball prospect - could do with some boosting. They have been heavily linked to Northern Knights onballer Nick Vlastuin this year and it's easy to see why he would appeal: he's a competitor, one who puts his head over the ball, gets on with things and plays consistently well. He'd be a solid pick. Close-checking defender Aidan Corr is also in contention at No. 9, fellow backman Lachie Plowman would have to be considered should he somehow slip down the order, Jackson Macrae is a rough chance to still be around and so is key forward Kristian Jaksch. Jackson Thurlow is another the club has been tied to. Thurlow, a tall running defender from Launceston, may reach them at pick 32. The Tigers are planning to take four picks and have been looking at Orren Stephenson. He'd provide immediate, senior back-up in the ruck, although Vickery can obviously play in the ruck and Elton is developing as a ruck/forward. Busy onballer Tim McGenniss, Dandenong's best-and-fairest this year, is one the Tigers could try to grab in the 30s.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/emma-quayles-clubbyclub-guide-to-the-2012-national-draft-20121116-29hnj.html
In: Troy Chaplin, Aaron Edwards, Chris Knights.
Out: Andrew Browne, Daniel Connors, Angus Graham, Dean Macdonald, Kelvin Moore, Jayden Post, Jeromey Webberley.
Draft picks: 9, 32, 34, 43, 88, 100.
DEPTH CHARTS
TALL FORWARDS: Jack Riewoldt, Tyrone Vickery, Todd Elton, Luke McGuane.
TALL DEFENDERS: Alex Rance, Dylan Grimes, Troy Chaplin, David Astbury, Ben Griffiths, Ben Darrou (rookie).
SMALL/MEDIUM FORWARDS: Robin Nahas, Jake King, Chris Knights, Brett O'Hanlon.
SMALL/MEDIUM DEFENDERS: Chris Newman, Steven Morris, Jake Batchelor, Brandon Ellis, Bachar Houli, Matt Dea, Steven Verrier (rookie).
MIDFIELDERS: Trent Cotchin, Brett Deledio, Dustin Martin, Shaun Grigg, Reece Conca, Shane Edwards, Daniel Jackson, Nathan Foley, Brad Helbig, Shane Tuck, Matt White, Matthew Arnot.
RUCKS: Ivan Maric, Tom Derickx.
DRAFT DAY:
Things are starting to come together for Richmond, and although teams don't necessarily follow a linear path to success, the Tigers are maturing nicely in most parts of the ground. There's nothing they desperately need, although their midfield numbers - as good as Cotchin, Deledio and Martin are, with Ellis to perhaps evolve into an onball prospect - could do with some boosting. They have been heavily linked to Northern Knights onballer Nick Vlastuin this year and it's easy to see why he would appeal: he's a competitor, one who puts his head over the ball, gets on with things and plays consistently well. He'd be a solid pick. Close-checking defender Aidan Corr is also in contention at No. 9, fellow backman Lachie Plowman would have to be considered should he somehow slip down the order, Jackson Macrae is a rough chance to still be around and so is key forward Kristian Jaksch. Jackson Thurlow is another the club has been tied to. Thurlow, a tall running defender from Launceston, may reach them at pick 32. The Tigers are planning to take four picks and have been looking at Orren Stephenson. He'd provide immediate, senior back-up in the ruck, although Vickery can obviously play in the ruck and Elton is developing as a ruck/forward. Busy onballer Tim McGenniss, Dandenong's best-and-fairest this year, is one the Tigers could try to grab in the 30s.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/emma-quayles-clubbyclub-guide-to-the-2012-national-draft-20121116-29hnj.html
tigertigertigertiger said:
Ummm forgot about the noise factor yeah best to watch it without the background hoo haa ;D
I enjoy reading phantom drafts which have in depth reasoning why each club could pic this player or that player...As like boundforglory phantom draft http://boundforglorynews.com/2012-afl-phantom-draft/ who have us picking Stringer at 9, Atkins at 32, Graham at 34 and Banfield at 43 i came across Kristians phantom draft which was a delight to read, below are his choices for Richmond and an accompanying link below to see his entire choices for all clubs....
Kristian’s 2012 Phantom Draft
PICK 9 – RICHMOND: OLIVER WINES
Height: 188cm, Weight: 90kg, DOB: 7/10/1994
Recruited from: Bendigo Pioneers
So Wines ends up at pick 9. I must admit, I even surprised myself at this, but just working through my predicted lists of each club and little bits that I’ve heard through the grapevine, there is every chance Wines or someone else who isn’t expected to will slip through. There is every chance Wines will be taken ahead of Toumpas by Melbourne, but if they don’t this is every possibility. If not, it was Nick Vlastuin at this pick.
If he’s available at pick 9, I think Richmond will eat him up. The lookout is for an inside midfielder and Wines is one of the very best in the draft.
His most recent measurements at the Combine had him at 188cm and 90kg. This isn’t a kid, he’s a man already.
I mentioned during the week that he’s as AFL ready as Dustin Martin was in 2010. He’s on that level.
Ollie Wines is just a clearance, contested and tackling beast. Everything Richmond is after is right here. He played a fabulous 10 games for Bendigo this year, averaging 25 possessions, 5 marks and a brilliant 8 tackles. To put it in perspective, Andrew Swallow led the AFL with 7 tackles a game in 2012. He used the ball at 64%, but you have to factor in the amount of possessions of his are contested.
At the National Champs, nothing changed. He averaged 25 possessions again (53% of those contested), at 63% efficiency, with 5 marks, 4 clearances, 4 inside 50’s and 5 tackles a game.
His consistency was remarkable right through the season. Including the Champs, he only fell under 20 disposals twice (from 14 games) and 4 games over 30 possessions.
My absolute favourite Ollie Wines game all season, was when he carved Queensland up, collecting 31 possessions (17 contested), at 81% efficiency, with 6 marks, 5 clearances, 7 inside 50’s and 5 tackles. That was an inside midfielder’s game right out of the scrap book. They are Ryan O’Keefe Finals 2012 numbers.
At the Combine he tested very well. The standout for me was the 14.3 shuttle run in hot conditions and the VO2 max sitting in the top 10%. He was also top 23% in the 3km time trial. In the sprints he sat at about the bottom 40% mark, but you can’t have everything. The fact he is capable of elite endurance, at his size, is excellent.
Skills wise aren’t where he stands out, but it’s more the fact it’s not a strength of his more than it is a weakness. His foot skills are, say, on par with Josh Kennedy, and heck, if you want to compare the two players you probably wouldn’t be too far off.
What you’re getting with Wines is a competitive beast, much in a similar mould to Nick Vlastuin. He’ll become a very good inside midfielder at AFL level, I have no doubt. You just can’t go past his size. It’s incredible for someone who’s just turned 18 years old.
On draft night, if Jimmy Toumpas is passed up by GWS, I can see Melbourne taking Toumpas instead, leaving Wines a possible option for Port Adelaide and that’s about it. I could be way off the mark, but that’s my reading of it anyway.
PICK 32 – RICHMOND: RORY ATKINS
Height: 186cm, Weight: 81kg, DOB: 12/7/1994
Recruited from: Calder Cannons
Atkins is mostly an outside midfielder who’s a very good disposer by hand and foot.
He played 13 games for Calder this season and averaged 20 disposals and 6 marks at 75% disposal efficiency off mostly a wing.
The way he plays actually reminds me very much of Kade Simpson with his left foot.
He isn’t the quickest player, which totally ruins that comparison, but his endurance is OK. He was in the top 37% in the 3km time trial and ran a 12.9 shuttle run in the hot conditions.
PICK 34 – RICHMOND: SAM LOWRIE
Height: 187cm, Weight: 80kg, DOB: 22/7/1994
Recruited from: South Fremantle
Sam Lowrie comes in as one of my favourite players in the draft. He hasn’t received much fan fare because he is looked at behind the likes of Dayle Garlett, Josh Simpson, Mason Shaw and Nick Rodda in the Western Australian ranks.
Standing at 187cm, Lowrie is a nicely sized midfielder from South Fremantle, who has now enjoyed two very good seasons at WAFL Colts level.
In round 11, last season, Sam broke both bones in his leg as a 16 year old. He missed the rest of the season but made his return in round two this year, and hasn’t missed a beat since. Before he broke his leg, he was averaging 21 disposals, 5 marks, 3 tackles and 2 goals a game.
This season he stepped it up again, averaging 15 kicks, 24 disposals, 7 marks, 2 tackles and a goal a game.
I was looking forward to seeing him in the flesh at the National Champs this year, but unfortunately his game time was very limited and he didn’t even get an invite to the Draft Combine.
From his limited opportunities at the Champs, I was most impressed, showing his class in the limited minutes he was actually in the midfield, because a lot of the time when he was on the ground he was stuck on a half forward flank.
He only averaged 60% game time at the Champs, and from that he managed to get 10 kicks, 16 disposals, 72% disposal efficiency, 6 marks, 4 tackles and 3 clearances a game. Statistically his two best games were in games one and three, where he got 21 disposals in each of those, but I thought game five was his best. It was televised, if you want to go back and look at it, and even though he only spent 58% of the game on the ground, in that short time he gathered 8 kicks, 4 handballs, 6 of those possessions contested, 83% disposal efficiency, and also a brilliant 6 clearances.
You see a lot of players win the contested ball and cough it up, but Sam shows great awareness of knowing where his teammates are and he’ll more often than not find a target.
While I see Sam more as an outside midfielder because he’s very good at linking up, spreading from the contest and possesses a great running game, he does have the ability to go inside, win clearances and use his big frame to win the contested ball.
I’m not sure of his results at the State Screening, but I anticipate he would’ve recorded some very good results in the endurance categories.
The other great thing about Lowrie is his size. He’s got an AFL ready body. Standing at 187cm, it gives him some serious versatility to play a variety of positions. He is a really good overhead mark which makes him a very good option to be a modern day wingman with his spread and endurance.
I think the fact he broke his leg last year may be the reason for the lack of talk about him, but I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if he snuck into the top 30 on draft night.
PICK 43 – RICHMOND: TOM TEMAY
Height: 180cm, Weight: 75kg, DOB: 6/2/1994
Recruited from: Sandringham Dragons
Temay’s known for the lock down job he did on Lachie Whitfield in the National Champs, and it was mighty impressive. He also had 20 odd touches himself.
Temay’s more a half back type with decent disposal. I’ve heard some people say it’s very good, but I’m not convinced it’s anything out of the ordinary; just solid.
I think he could be used well as a negating defender or midfielder in the future with his big tank which is what the Richmond recruiters typically look at. He didn’t test in the endurance categories at the Combine, but he was around average for the sprints.
http://www.footytragic.com/blog/2012-post-season/kristians-2012-phantom-draft/
Kristian’s 2012 Phantom Draft
PICK 9 – RICHMOND: OLIVER WINES
Height: 188cm, Weight: 90kg, DOB: 7/10/1994
Recruited from: Bendigo Pioneers
So Wines ends up at pick 9. I must admit, I even surprised myself at this, but just working through my predicted lists of each club and little bits that I’ve heard through the grapevine, there is every chance Wines or someone else who isn’t expected to will slip through. There is every chance Wines will be taken ahead of Toumpas by Melbourne, but if they don’t this is every possibility. If not, it was Nick Vlastuin at this pick.
If he’s available at pick 9, I think Richmond will eat him up. The lookout is for an inside midfielder and Wines is one of the very best in the draft.
His most recent measurements at the Combine had him at 188cm and 90kg. This isn’t a kid, he’s a man already.
I mentioned during the week that he’s as AFL ready as Dustin Martin was in 2010. He’s on that level.
Ollie Wines is just a clearance, contested and tackling beast. Everything Richmond is after is right here. He played a fabulous 10 games for Bendigo this year, averaging 25 possessions, 5 marks and a brilliant 8 tackles. To put it in perspective, Andrew Swallow led the AFL with 7 tackles a game in 2012. He used the ball at 64%, but you have to factor in the amount of possessions of his are contested.
At the National Champs, nothing changed. He averaged 25 possessions again (53% of those contested), at 63% efficiency, with 5 marks, 4 clearances, 4 inside 50’s and 5 tackles a game.
His consistency was remarkable right through the season. Including the Champs, he only fell under 20 disposals twice (from 14 games) and 4 games over 30 possessions.
My absolute favourite Ollie Wines game all season, was when he carved Queensland up, collecting 31 possessions (17 contested), at 81% efficiency, with 6 marks, 5 clearances, 7 inside 50’s and 5 tackles. That was an inside midfielder’s game right out of the scrap book. They are Ryan O’Keefe Finals 2012 numbers.
At the Combine he tested very well. The standout for me was the 14.3 shuttle run in hot conditions and the VO2 max sitting in the top 10%. He was also top 23% in the 3km time trial. In the sprints he sat at about the bottom 40% mark, but you can’t have everything. The fact he is capable of elite endurance, at his size, is excellent.
Skills wise aren’t where he stands out, but it’s more the fact it’s not a strength of his more than it is a weakness. His foot skills are, say, on par with Josh Kennedy, and heck, if you want to compare the two players you probably wouldn’t be too far off.
What you’re getting with Wines is a competitive beast, much in a similar mould to Nick Vlastuin. He’ll become a very good inside midfielder at AFL level, I have no doubt. You just can’t go past his size. It’s incredible for someone who’s just turned 18 years old.
On draft night, if Jimmy Toumpas is passed up by GWS, I can see Melbourne taking Toumpas instead, leaving Wines a possible option for Port Adelaide and that’s about it. I could be way off the mark, but that’s my reading of it anyway.
PICK 32 – RICHMOND: RORY ATKINS
Height: 186cm, Weight: 81kg, DOB: 12/7/1994
Recruited from: Calder Cannons
Atkins is mostly an outside midfielder who’s a very good disposer by hand and foot.
He played 13 games for Calder this season and averaged 20 disposals and 6 marks at 75% disposal efficiency off mostly a wing.
The way he plays actually reminds me very much of Kade Simpson with his left foot.
He isn’t the quickest player, which totally ruins that comparison, but his endurance is OK. He was in the top 37% in the 3km time trial and ran a 12.9 shuttle run in the hot conditions.
PICK 34 – RICHMOND: SAM LOWRIE
Height: 187cm, Weight: 80kg, DOB: 22/7/1994
Recruited from: South Fremantle
Sam Lowrie comes in as one of my favourite players in the draft. He hasn’t received much fan fare because he is looked at behind the likes of Dayle Garlett, Josh Simpson, Mason Shaw and Nick Rodda in the Western Australian ranks.
Standing at 187cm, Lowrie is a nicely sized midfielder from South Fremantle, who has now enjoyed two very good seasons at WAFL Colts level.
In round 11, last season, Sam broke both bones in his leg as a 16 year old. He missed the rest of the season but made his return in round two this year, and hasn’t missed a beat since. Before he broke his leg, he was averaging 21 disposals, 5 marks, 3 tackles and 2 goals a game.
This season he stepped it up again, averaging 15 kicks, 24 disposals, 7 marks, 2 tackles and a goal a game.
I was looking forward to seeing him in the flesh at the National Champs this year, but unfortunately his game time was very limited and he didn’t even get an invite to the Draft Combine.
From his limited opportunities at the Champs, I was most impressed, showing his class in the limited minutes he was actually in the midfield, because a lot of the time when he was on the ground he was stuck on a half forward flank.
He only averaged 60% game time at the Champs, and from that he managed to get 10 kicks, 16 disposals, 72% disposal efficiency, 6 marks, 4 tackles and 3 clearances a game. Statistically his two best games were in games one and three, where he got 21 disposals in each of those, but I thought game five was his best. It was televised, if you want to go back and look at it, and even though he only spent 58% of the game on the ground, in that short time he gathered 8 kicks, 4 handballs, 6 of those possessions contested, 83% disposal efficiency, and also a brilliant 6 clearances.
You see a lot of players win the contested ball and cough it up, but Sam shows great awareness of knowing where his teammates are and he’ll more often than not find a target.
While I see Sam more as an outside midfielder because he’s very good at linking up, spreading from the contest and possesses a great running game, he does have the ability to go inside, win clearances and use his big frame to win the contested ball.
I’m not sure of his results at the State Screening, but I anticipate he would’ve recorded some very good results in the endurance categories.
The other great thing about Lowrie is his size. He’s got an AFL ready body. Standing at 187cm, it gives him some serious versatility to play a variety of positions. He is a really good overhead mark which makes him a very good option to be a modern day wingman with his spread and endurance.
I think the fact he broke his leg last year may be the reason for the lack of talk about him, but I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if he snuck into the top 30 on draft night.
PICK 43 – RICHMOND: TOM TEMAY
Height: 180cm, Weight: 75kg, DOB: 6/2/1994
Recruited from: Sandringham Dragons
Temay’s known for the lock down job he did on Lachie Whitfield in the National Champs, and it was mighty impressive. He also had 20 odd touches himself.
Temay’s more a half back type with decent disposal. I’ve heard some people say it’s very good, but I’m not convinced it’s anything out of the ordinary; just solid.
I think he could be used well as a negating defender or midfielder in the future with his big tank which is what the Richmond recruiters typically look at. He didn’t test in the endurance categories at the Combine, but he was around average for the sprints.
http://www.footytragic.com/blog/2012-post-season/kristians-2012-phantom-draft/
Re: Pick 9 ND 2012 – Who should we pick?
In my ill informed opinion If you take a hard impartial look at his characteristics he doesn't come across as a top 5 pick. He a chugging inside mid who get the job done with endurance but is slowish and his kicking is not fantastic.
On the other hand at pick 9... oh baby, come to papa
tigs2010 said:
In my ill informed opinion If you take a hard impartial look at his characteristics he doesn't come across as a top 5 pick. He a chugging inside mid who get the job done with endurance but is slowish and his kicking is not fantastic.
On the other hand at pick 9... oh baby, come to papa
Col.W.Kurtz said:
Pretty much right on the mark Col with what u stated and if he's there at pic 9 we'd have to grab him...
AstuteTiger said:
He's my current dream scenario on draft day. I'm sure by Thursday I will have invested an elaborate theory why Tompas will slip to 9... ;D
