Pick 9 ND 2012 – Who should we pick?

[tigs2010]

Brett Anderson from Inside Football seems to think we will go Vlastuin, Wright then Atkins with our first 3. Eat *smile* Essendon. :hihi

 

[Wildride]

The maximum number of rookies has been reduced from 8 to 6 for teams with no veterans. As we have one veteran (Newman), we can have 5 rookies in total, and, given we have kept Darrou and Verrier, that entitles us to 3 selections in the rookie draft this year.

 

[Rfc4Ever]

Will be interesting to see if we go Grundy if he is available at #9

 

[uhuh uhuh]

Thanks Bullus for your writeups. You have completely changed my mind about Grundy.

For our three rookie picks.

So if we take Grundy, doubt we would look at both Wood and Stephenson or either.

We may take Toy as a preseason, doubt we would rookie him also, he would be a worthwhile late pick.

(I notice there is another Verrier in the draft - will he go late or is he a rookie target?)

Would we seriously consider Pettard or A Maric again as rookies?

 

[The Cotch]

I'm beginning to think there'll be a slider we don't expect at 9. (Wines or O'Rourke)

From what I've heard; Plowman and Menzel will accompany Whitfield.

My current top ten is;

GWS: Whitfield
GWS: Menzel
GWS: Plowman
MELB: Toumpas
WB: Stringer
WB O'Rourke/Wines
PA: Grundy/Simpson
BRIS: Jaksch
RICH: Wines/O'Rourke

 

[Tigertool]

O'Rouke and Wines will be well and truely gone by our pick.

Wines is a lock for the Dees, GWS won't let Toumpas go, and O'Rouke won't go past the Dogs.

 

[uhuh uhuh]

Why is Menzle rated so highly - kid has chronic knee problems - you would be mad to risk him.

 

[Tigertool]

Why is Menzle rated so highly - kid has chronic knee problems - you would be mad to risk him.

He doesn't have 'chronic' knee problems. He has had one knee reco and a knee knock, but people are worried by his knees partially because of his brother.

Vickery had a knee reco in under 18's, so thats like saying Vickery has chronic knee problems.

 

[tigergollywog]

Ive got a funny kind of feeling JonoRourke will slip to us. If this happened and Taylor Garner slipped to 32, it would be the most exciting christmas-for-adults ever.

 

[uhuh uhuh]

Sure - maybe not chronic, but the brother's knee problems suggests a genetic disposition to shonky knees; like Prismal and Dragacevic...

To be fair this kid may not have a problem with his knees. However he also opted for lars, at his age i would question that choice.

If he is available at pick 9 and we take him, I would be a tad disapointed.

 

[uhuh uhuh]

If we get O'Rouke it is our first 60s tv sitcom character since *smile* (Also a sarge)

 

[craig]

It has been but i meant we can only take 2 rookies instead this year.

Wouldve been ideal if we had the extra two spots.

 

[Wildride]

As I said above Craig, we have 3 picks - the max number of rookies was reduced from 8 to 6, and with one veteran (Newman), we have 5 rookie slots available. This leaves 3 slots to fill, the other two being Darrou and Verrier.

 

[craig]

Thanks Wildman well 3 better than 2 thats for sure happier with that, but i dont want them all wasted on re treads either obviously one of Wood or Big O could be one, Toy maybe another hopefully the 3rd is a kid thats missed the ND.

 

[Tony Braxton-Hicks]

Not at all guys. Could actually be quite the opposite.

FJ can be a stickler for not wanting other clubs to let on who he's interested in. Doing a lot of interviews with the player & having plenty of contact with his family/Mgr is the first way to giveup who your keen on.

I wouldn't have thought this would matter in the first round. Only GWS might think he'd last to their next pick but I doubt they'd be surprised if a number of clubs interviewed the obvious top dozen. Subterfuge is more important with smokies like Dea.

 

[bullus_hit]

Tim Broomhead - For a player who may well be available at our second pick, Tim Broomhead ticks a lot of boxes. His form at the u/18 carnival deserved plaudits for his extremely high workrate and generally sound disposal. He's got a very nice turn of speed allowing him to run and carry, and he's perfectly capable of delivering accurately over 50 metres. His repeat sprint times were in the top 7% and he also performed very strongly in the goal kicking test which placed him equal 4th. Perhaps the biggest feather in his cap has been his efforts playing seniors for Port Magpies where he's made solid contributions in just about every game he's played. He's a lightly framed player but he's also quite slippery and has learnt to use his agility to duck and weave through would-be tacklers.

So what are the knocks on Broomhead? He'll probably find himself somewhere in the 25-35 range because it's still unclear as to where he'll find himself on the football field. He's capable of becoming a midfielder but I wouldn't quite place him there yet. He certainly gets to a large amount of contests but hasn't yet converted that into consistent 25+ possession games. Playing for SA he was often seen streaming out of defence, which may be a preview of where he may find himself in the AFL. In saying that, he's been playing forward in the SANFL, so I'm guessing clubs will see him as a versatile type capable of filling a number of different roles.

If Broomhead is available at 32 I'd certainly be considering him because he definitely looks to be AFL quality. His disposal efficiency was up around 77% at the carnival and that may be sufficient to see him take up a rebounding defensive role. His inside game is probably a work in progress but I can see a fair scope for improvement given his good speed and agility. He'll need to pack on another 7 or 8 kg, but that shouldn't be seen as insurmountable. Definitely one to consider at 32 or 34.

 

[zippadeee]

Why is Menzle rated so highly - kid has chronic knee problems - you would be mad to risk him.

Teams with 2 high picks will take the risk on him, Gws, Footscray & collingwood.
I would take another inside midfielder.
I don't mind Vaulstin or Plowman

 

[Smoking Aces]

He has made similar comments over the last month or so. I can remember him describing this year's draft as "complicated" in a previous interview. Reading his comments though, I don't think that he is saying much that is different to your comments above. He talks about depth in the first round but states that some of those players have question marks. Our second pick is outside the top 30, so the worry would be that the talent pool will be drained by then, given also that several players have already been taken out of the pool through Miin-drafts and Zone Selections and trades.

It is also evident from the way Jackson and his team have approached the last few drafts is that they adopt a much different approach to the way that some other clubs may go about things. It is obvious that they use a number of filters to reduce the options which are acceptable to them. Last season, for example, he talked about looking for kicking skills, competitiveness and character. Once they apply these filters, there may only be 10-20 players that they are targetting all-up but three of their picks are outside the top 30, making their strategy problematic at best. It means that they are well-and-truly at the mercy of how the other clubs choose and this is what makes the draft "difficult" and "complicated" from their point of view.

I doubt that Jackson looks at the draft and says: "These are the best 9 players so we will get at least one of them" and goes to sleep a happy chappie evry night until the Draft. He is more likely to take the view that: "These are the players who are likely to go in the first 10, we know we have no chance of getting the first three and we are only interested in three others. God, I hope one of them lasts to our pick. " If those six players are all gone by pick 9, he is more likely to draft the next name on his list, rather than take one of the sliders, who he has already put a line through because they have been rejected by one or more of the filters.

Not saying I agree with this approach but it is what it is.

Listening to FJ talk at various functions, you have pretty much hit the nail on the head with your explanation.

 

[tigs2010]

Loving these write-ups Bully. My fear on Broomhead is he is a Port Adelaide boy so can't see Port passing on him.

 

[Smoking Aces]

Loving these write-ups Bully. My fear on Broomhead is he is a Port Adelaide boy so can't see Port passing on him.

Just take a look at the phantom draft Tigs. ;D