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Pick 9 ND 2012 – Who should we pick?

TigerMasochist said:
Don't get any chance to follow the prospective kids but always interested to follow the discussions about our possible choices.
Just on your concerns about Garners shoulders Bullus. We seem to have done very well in managing Griff through his shoulder probs, it now appears that we just need to get some consistent miles into him to allow his natural footy talent to develop through.
Do you have any concerns that we couldn't manage Garner through his first couple of seasons and thereby reap full benefit of his talents?
How well would you rate him if there were no injury concerns?
Would he be a top ten lock if the shoulders were spot on or more of a ten to twenty five type pick purely depending on a clubs perceived needs?

If we go down the Garner path it will indicate a change in philosophy, one which assumes we've got the tools in place to bring the best out in him. To me, that suggests we will be doing our utmost to ensure he joins the midfield rotations. At the moment his numbers suggest he's coming from a long way back, only once has he chalked up 20+ possessions for Dandenong, and at the carnival he averaged 14.6 touches. I can only guess that we've done our homework on his aerobic capacity because there's not much to go on with regards to the draft camp. There's a lot of uncertainty here and one has to hope that the club has done their research.

As far as draft range is concerned, 15-25 is roughly where I would place him. That would be on par with a Nat Fyfe prior to him becoming a top tier mid. On the presumption he makes the transition to onballer, he would be top ten material and perhaps top 5 depending on how people rate a player like Fyfe. But this is where we're speculating. A lot has to go right with his development, and that's not even taking into account the shoulder concerns. It would be our riskiest venture since Ben Griffiths, probably more so considering Ben was pick 19.

The similarities with Fyfe also need to be put into some perspective because I would be horrified if we threw him in the deep end too quickly. Freo have been almost negligent with Nat's rehabillitation and it remains to be seen how this will impact upon his longterm career. The slow and steady approach is needed and there probably needs to a bit of realism about the prospect of further work being done if he lands awkwardly on his good shoulder. This happened with Griffiths after only a handful of games, so anything's possible.

Like I've mentioned a few times, there's a lot of unknowns at play here and picking Garner would be throwing a bit of caution to the wind. Francis Jackson could come out of this looking like a genius, or he could wind up with egg all over his face.
 
Someone saying on BF that Garner thinks he will go somewhere between 16 and 20, apparently 'straight from the horse's mouth'
 
Hey Bullus,

Interested in your thoughts on the following players: Atkins, Pongracic, Carter, Marsh, Broomhead, Warrell and Sumner.

Would you take Pongracic if we already have Vlastuin sewn up at 9?
 
Article in today's HUN that GWS might pick up Plowman at #3.

Predicts the Dog's will go O'Rourke and Menzel and Port will go Grundy.
 
SkillzThatKillz said:
Article in today's HUN that GWS might pick up Plowman at #3.

Predicts the Dog's will go O'Rourke and Menzel and Port will go Grundy.

And Wines to the D's at #4

If all that is right, is Macrae best available if the Brions take Jaksch?
 
If the HUN's hunch is right we may have Stringer at our disposal therefore it could be Stringer, Garner, Vlas, Mac choice. We always seem to be sweating on what Brisvegas does every year :mad:
 
Dont laugh Tigs, he had a hell of a lot of love on here did young Jared.

Happy to say, that's one guy leysy had pegged correctly.
 
Emma Quayle says we haven't interviewed him. I'd trust her over an AFL website article. ;D
 
uhuh uhuh said:
Hun suggests he can kick 30-40 goals as a forward?

Be surprised if Brisbane or Port dont take him

That's the point of the dilemna, do you take him if he slips to 9 or let him keep slipping?

This has been well discussed but if our recruiters have their heart set on another gun I'm sure they'll have weighed the pros and cons already.

There's no doubting the high trade value of good ruckmen and in particularly ruckmen/forwards

tigs2010 said:
Emma Quayle says we haven't interviewed him. I'd trust her over an AFL website article. ;D

That's a compelling piece of evidence.
 
uhuh uhuh said:
Report on AFL.com suggest we are going after Grundy with pick 9:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151073/default.aspx

For mine... Drafting a ruckman is a waste of time.

Teams that have won grand finals in the last 5 years have all got their ruckmen from tading

Geelong - Ottens
Collingwood - Jolley
Sydney - Mumford & Mike Pike..

The article says he is ready to play but really are we prepared to have a developing ruck on our list for 3 to 4 years when a good mid is a better option?

Very pleased to hear it, it's actually an enormous relief becuase I was still having nightmares about Cameron Wood prancing around in a Richmond jumper.

As for Grundy being just a ruckman, he has the potential to be so much more, huge upside as a resting forward.

And to suggest that drafting a ruckman is a waste of time, also consider what those clubs paid for their ruckman, in the case of Ottens it was 2 first rounders. The strike rate of first round ruckman has been pretty good of late - Naitanui, Vickery, Leunenberger, Longer (although it's still early), Ryder. It would seem the only way to grab the smooth moving, athletic types is to part with a first rounder, for Richmond that would be the perfect pairing for Maric. I might also add that Grundy has a lot of mongrel about him, I'm pretty confident he'd be a fan favourite.
 
If clubs were being honest they would probably say that they want players that will contribute straight away, and the pay off on a 200 cm+ player takes too long.

Drafting Grundy would definitely be an indication that a club is planning long term.

Having said that, you could probably get 10 decent games out of Grundy next year as he has played a decent wack of senior footy already.
 
I would take Grundy with 9 but hope he is gone by then.

To me from the limited footage so far it's out of:

1. Grundy
2. Mcrae/Garner/Vlastuin I can't split them 3. We need all 3 types.

I'm hoping Colquhoun/Horvat is still there for our next pick but I doubt it.
 
mad_doggy911 said:
I would take Grundy with 9 but hope he is gone by then.

To me from the limited footage so far it's out of:

1. Grundy
2. Mcrae/Garner/Vlastuin I can't split them 3. We need all 3 types.

I'm hoping Colquhoun/Horvat is still there for our next pick but I doubt it.

Grundy, Hrovat, Atkins and McDonough would be an absolute dream... Will never happen though :(
 
tigs2010 said:
Emma Quayle says we haven't interviewed him. I'd trust her over an AFL website article. ;D

I stopped listening to Quayle when I realised everything she says is said with a view to helping Essendon in some way shape or form.