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Pick 9 ND 2012 – Who should we pick?
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tigertrue said:
It could be smoke and mirrors stuff at the moment, interviewing a guy like Garner makes more sense since he's a local and he's got so many question marks. If we overlooked Grundy I'd be quite staggered to be honest.
I find Jackson's comments bewildering that he says this draft is average, from 2 spotters that i know they told me this draft is rich with talent "especially the mids" such an influx more than they can remember and the top 10 as good as any, even top 20 will land very good players...Collingwood will get 3 very good players with their 3 top 20 pics, 18, 19 and 20 (crows will lose pic 20)....They also told me that even Richmonds pic 32 and 34 you guys will get 2 good players but from pic 35 onwards it becomes a little trickier....I would def call this draft a super draft especially when im hearing good players right up to mid 30's.....Also next years draft is considered a super draft...
Anyways what do others think bout Jackson making that comment which is on the latest article on the RFC website "Tigers set to pounce at draft"
Anyways what do others think bout Jackson making that comment which is on the latest article on the RFC website "Tigers set to pounce at draft"
tigertrue said:
Is that the fan-generated phantom draft? I cant see him being there at 9, but if he is, it would be footballing negligence not to grab him IMO.
My dream draft is one of
Brody Grundy/JonoRourke (looks more chimpy everytime I look)/Taylor Garner//Tom Clurey with pick 9 (I reckon our pick 9 will be one of these)
and then 2 of
Taylor Garner/Spencer White/Liam McBean/Nick Vlastuin (tell him hes dreamin')/Sam Colquhoun (my slider prediction) with picks 32/4
Pick 43, grab a monster KPP with a huge engine, snakey as hell, black, huge hands, heaps of x-factor, ready for round 1, lives in bridge rd and barracks for tigers, isnt troubled by anything, has a tattoo of jack dyer on his imposing bicep, missed the draft combine with gasto, elite basketballing and cricketing and tai kwon do background, AND has been compared to a cross between buddy franklin, maurice rioli, royce hart and glen jackovich.
tigs2010 said:
Ok Tigs, there's a lot of names there so I'll try and get through them one by one.
Jason Pongracic - Tough and fiesty in the mould of Jason Porplyzia, Pongracic will probably be picked up in the 30-50 range. He will appeal to clubs looking for a forward/midfielder who has a strong defensive side to his game and can create scoring opportunities from stoppages. The big ticks for mine are his defensive pressure which I rate at the upper end of the scale, his overhead marking and the fact that he's a club captain and an AIS graduate.
Perhaps the biggest knocks on Pongracic will be his general athleticism and he's not endowed with extreme pace. His body type is a more thick set powerful build which will have it's advantages in contested situations, but for him to become an elite onballer, I feel he'll need to significantly lift his endurance levels. There have been comparisons made with Jordan Lewis but bear in mind the Lewis has a very impressive motor and was one of the TAC's leading possession getters as an u/18, Pongracic is a fair way off reaching those numbers and also has been plagued with chronic hip problems. It may well be that his performance has been hampered by the hip injury but I would definitely be doing my homework on his general fitness and physical upside.
The other issue with Pongracic is his kicking efficiency, his season KE is 48% and on raw numbers, that's below acceptable. It may well be that he's disposing of the ball under extreme duress, and that would be understandable considering he wins a lot of contested football, but I would still be poring through the tapes to establish whether it's a terminal problem. My impression of his disposal at the u/18 carnival was in the good-average range but I would still be inclined to delve a little further.
Would I pick him with 32? At the moment I have some others a little higher in the pecking order but he would come into the frame with our last live pick.
AstuteTiger said:
He has made similar comments over the last month or so. I can remember him describing this year's draft as "complicated" in a previous interview. Reading his comments though, I don't think that he is saying much that is different to your comments above. He talks about depth in the first round but states that some of those players have question marks. Our second pick is outside the top 30, so the worry would be that the talent pool will be drained by then, given also that several players have already been taken out of the pool through Miin-drafts and Zone Selections and trades.
It is also evident from the way Jackson and his team have approached the last few drafts is that they adopt a much different approach to the way that some other clubs may go about things. It is obvious that they use a number of filters to reduce the options which are acceptable to them. Last season, for example, he talked about looking for kicking skills, competitiveness and character. Once they apply these filters, there may only be 10-20 players that they are targetting all-up but three of their picks are outside the top 30, making their strategy problematic at best. It means that they are well-and-truly at the mercy of how the other clubs choose and this is what makes the draft "difficult" and "complicated" from their point of view.
I doubt that Jackson looks at the draft and says: "These are the best 9 players so we will get at least one of them" and goes to sleep a happy chappie evry night until the Draft. He is more likely to take the view that: "These are the players who are likely to go in the first 10, we know we have no chance of getting the first three and we are only interested in three others. God, I hope one of them lasts to our pick. " If those six players are all gone by pick 9, he is more likely to draft the next name on his list, rather than take one of the sliders, who he has already put a line through because they have been rejected by one or more of the filters.
Not saying I agree with this approach but it is what it is.
The talent drop off is pretty sudden in this draft (around the mid 30's) but there's really not a lot separating players from 1-15, it's also very even from about 16-35 IMO. Strange draft really, I expect there to be some sliders available at 32, impossible to pick which ones. Hoping for Hrovat/Colquhoun/Membrey/Graham.
tigs2010 said:
tigertrue said:
Not at all guys. Could actually be quite the opposite.
FJ can be a stickler for not wanting other clubs to let on who he's interested in. Doing a lot of interviews with the player & having plenty of contact with his family/Mgr is the first way to giveup who your keen on.
craig said:
Agreed.
It looks as if some clubs won't be able to take any new rookies at all this year. I'm not quite sure how the AFLPA has even allowed this.
The argument was that the AFL only extended the rookie lists to help the established clubs during the expansion period, which is now over. Given that the expansion clubs still have extended lists, reducing the rookie list, which the expansion clubs barely use, just gives them another leg-up. Why aren't we surprised?
