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Pick 9 ND 2012 – Who should we pick?
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GEDS1 said:
Vlastuin could be seen in a similar light to Ellis and Conca, effectively he's a no-frills quality footballer who will no doubt have a long and successful career. If we're talking potential upside and x-factor, then Garner is the man who has the potential to produce the spectacular, whether that be a freakish goal, a spectacular pack mark or a frenetic chasedown and tackle. The key to making this work will be some serious development time, some TLC with the shoulders and some solid strength and conditioning.
The comparisons with Fyfe are stark from both a talent perspective and from an injury perspective - I think the lessons to be learnt from the Fyfe saga is to exercise a fair degree of patience in getting him match ready. If that aspect is mismanaged then we will probably be chasing our tail a bit when it comes to his development and performance continuity. Garner is definitely a guy that I would be handling with the utmost of care.
Brodders17 said:
Agreed. It’s the inherent adage good teams have in trading. Not only does Willingham have exposed form ‘when it counts’ he has also been put in positions by his teammates to maximise his best attributes .
Even in this sophisticated era of AFL people who should know better fall for simplistic labels such as someone being a ‘premiership player’. You don’t get the kind of deals the Pies got this year with players coming from the list of the 11th placed team.
Tigertool said:
Garner would be my choice on the grounds that he represents something that is in short supply at Richmond, but in saying that, I would be giving him the most thorough medical checks known to man. Griffiths seems to have gotten over the shoulder issues (touch wood) so that's heartening, but then again, one couldn't really say that he's been thoroughly road tested.
As for Vlastuin, I'm still not 100% convinced he'll make it as a high production midfielder, cameos yes, but the jury's out on whether he can consistently produce 25+ possessions as a fulltime onballer. He's in a similar position to Ellis in that regard.
Most first choice is Grundy if available, followed by Macrae and then Plowman. I'm pretty certain one of those will be available at 9.
Tigers of Old said:
No-one inparticular.
I will just be happy with someone worthy of pick #9 that doesn't have any question marks with injury/fitness.
Just think that the success of our pick #9 will be huge in the context of where we are at ATM, and that we need to minimise any risk taken with this pick.
Stylo said:
I'm guessing he'd land just outside the top 20, I'd be using the pure midfielders as a gauge and I believe there will be some good ones available between picks 15-25. Guys like Hrovat, Garlett, Nick Graham, Ben Kennedy and Jesse Lonergan should all fall in that range. Last year the premium mids dried up by about pick 14, one pick before Ellis.
Im going to the draft next week and im gonna roll the dice a bit on my selections, which are based on reports by experts on here, youtube, news and gut feeling. I'm also picking based on who I reckon will be realistically available, a mix of need + Im banking on one slider at pick 32.
Richmond Pick 9 - Taylor Garner (Tough, unassuming, rare mix of hard working and mercurial. Very good sized + plays tall (lids), goal kicker, Tigers fan)
Richmond Pick 32 - Slider out of Vlastuin/Colquhuon
Richmond Pick 34 - Liam McBean (2nd best Ruckman available)
Richmond Pick 43 - Spencer White (genuine KPF size. Huge leap. bags of goals kicker - project player - An urban Waylon Manson)
Richmond Pick 9 - Taylor Garner (Tough, unassuming, rare mix of hard working and mercurial. Very good sized + plays tall (lids), goal kicker, Tigers fan)
Richmond Pick 32 - Slider out of Vlastuin/Colquhuon
Richmond Pick 34 - Liam McBean (2nd best Ruckman available)
Richmond Pick 43 - Spencer White (genuine KPF size. Huge leap. bags of goals kicker - project player - An urban Waylon Manson)
Golly hope you enjoy. I dont reckon we will go tall at all in the draft unless Grundy falls to 9. It will be best player at 9 follwed by mids i reckon. Vlas will not last until 32 and White wont be there at 32 let alone 43.
If Plowman gets to 9 we will go him but Garner will be right up there in the thinking.
If Plowman gets to 9 we will go him but Garner will be right up there in the thinking.
GEDS, My thinking is this
1. PICK 9. Tigs have been understandably gun-shy at the draft table, haunted by the ghosts of tambling and JON. Conca and Ellis are going to be important players in our next flag I believe, but they wont win it for us. Ditto Vlastuin IMO. Our window is opening I believe and time for us to roll the dice a bit and get some mercurial, match winning ability combined with some finals tuffs.
2. PICK 32 - There WILL be surprise sliders, there always is. I would be dissapointed with Vlastuin at 9, but absolutely rapt at 32. I know this is unlikely, hence the Colquhuon back up. Ive used this pick to pick up banker foot-soldiers for our flag.
3. PICK 34 - Unlike Grant Thomas, I have always believed ruckmen win finals and this is what we need to be planning for IMO ..... going into a final series with an injury cloud over Maric or TV. Grundy definately wont be there at 34, and McBean may well be. I also reckon rucks are a good investment as if they all come on and you have too many, they are readily redeemable for high picks down the track. keep 'em coming I say
4. PICK 43 - Spencer White is the Waylon Manson of this year IMO. Could go top 20 or not at all. Like backing a 13-1 shot in the Caufield Cup ...... good chance your going to do your dough, but if it comes home, your spring is a happy one. Alot of luck in winning a flag.
1. PICK 9. Tigs have been understandably gun-shy at the draft table, haunted by the ghosts of tambling and JON. Conca and Ellis are going to be important players in our next flag I believe, but they wont win it for us. Ditto Vlastuin IMO. Our window is opening I believe and time for us to roll the dice a bit and get some mercurial, match winning ability combined with some finals tuffs.
2. PICK 32 - There WILL be surprise sliders, there always is. I would be dissapointed with Vlastuin at 9, but absolutely rapt at 32. I know this is unlikely, hence the Colquhuon back up. Ive used this pick to pick up banker foot-soldiers for our flag.
3. PICK 34 - Unlike Grant Thomas, I have always believed ruckmen win finals and this is what we need to be planning for IMO ..... going into a final series with an injury cloud over Maric or TV. Grundy definately wont be there at 34, and McBean may well be. I also reckon rucks are a good investment as if they all come on and you have too many, they are readily redeemable for high picks down the track. keep 'em coming I say
4. PICK 43 - Spencer White is the Waylon Manson of this year IMO. Could go top 20 or not at all. Like backing a 13-1 shot in the Caufield Cup ...... good chance your going to do your dough, but if it comes home, your spring is a happy one. Alot of luck in winning a flag.
I highly agree, we now just need that 1 player who will give us that icing on the cake in the midfield. I think maybe going for Plowman for pick 9, but use him as a mid. If you look at his highlights you would notice he is kind of like Martin, he runs through players and opens the game up. Or maybe a Ben Kennedy type, he can be an inside midfielder when we need him to, but then we can use him as an outside running midfielder. My pick would be Plowman, but he would probably get picked before ustigergollywog said:
tigergollywog said:
Why is that? He's exactly what we need, and probably the best in the draft at doing it. He'll be a cult figure for years to come and IMO caps off our midfield nicely. Your explanation for what we need at 9 is exactly the reason why I think we shouldn't take a gamble on someone with 'x-factor'; this draft is far too important for us to stuff up.
Disagree with your McBean selection too, I think both he and White are overrated due to the shallow pool of talls in this draft. McBean isn't really a ruckman, more of a tall (and very, very skinny) backman, he doesn't have the body of a ruck and I question whether he can fill out enough to compete at AFL level. Besides, if we want a ridiculously tall backman, we've got Griff who is better skilled, more agile and bigger bodied.
White I'm kind of on the fence about. Haven't really seen enough of him to make a well rounded judgement, but from what I have seen he's very much a one way footballer. If we're looking at another forward I'd prefer we go for Shaw/Membrey/O'Brien if any fall to 32. Otherwise just go for mids.
For the record, my ideal draft would be any combination of:
Vlastuin/Garner/Macrae/Grundy
O'Brien/Membrey/Graham/Shaw
Atkins/Boston/Pongracic/Carter
McDonough/Sumner/Lowrie/Temay
With at least 1 each of pure inside mid, inside/outside mid and mid/fwd. Bolded are my preferences but I doubt Membrey will make it to 32, only hope would be if recruiters think he's too much of a 1 trick pony.
I'll premise my reply stylo by saying, I dont know that much and Im going off stories and you tube. I am no Phantom, Gus or Bullus
having said that, I have been watching recruiting obsessively and coaching juniors for about a decade.
On Vlastuin ... he looks like a ripper and like I said I'd be rapt win the second round, but he looks alot like Brandon Ellis too me and I reckon we want match winning. X-factor is a stupid term and a stupid TV show. In the olden days, they said 'he can turn a game in 5 minutes' or 'win a game off his win boot'. Think swooper northey, obviously royce hart, Richo, Brett Deledio. You dont think Mick Malthouse, Kevin Sheedy, Brandon Ellis, and I am arguing that Vlastuin wont be that kind of player. Crucially important players, certainly, but not matchwinners IMO. Sides that win flags in recent history have them. Buddy franklin, Ryan O'Keefe, Steve Johnson, Alan Didak. Players that turn the volume up to 11 for 15 minutes and take the game. I am arguing that the tigers need a couple of these to take the heat off JR. Garner looks to fit the bill to me.
On Spencer White, I said it was a project punt, which I reckon 43 is good for.
McBean, you could be right. Sheehan reckons hes the 2nd best ruck in the draft (like TV was and we paid 8 for him), which is good enough for 34 for me. maybe he is a skinny backman, but hes 203 at 18 years old, he aint always gonna be skinny. Looks a bit like a young darren Jolly to me.
I am assuming we get Dom Tyson next year which gives us Cotchin, Conca, Foley, lids, martin, tyson, (pick 32) as core midfield for next 5 years. Thats good enough for me and i'll say it again, lets roll the dice A BIT and get someone who can take a couple of big pack marks, stick a goal through from 55 and turn a game (read Taylor Garner, pick 9 and Spencer White, pick 43) and punch/tackle the *smile* out of the running half back (C. Yarran) at the same time (T. Garner)
having said that, I have been watching recruiting obsessively and coaching juniors for about a decade.
On Vlastuin ... he looks like a ripper and like I said I'd be rapt win the second round, but he looks alot like Brandon Ellis too me and I reckon we want match winning. X-factor is a stupid term and a stupid TV show. In the olden days, they said 'he can turn a game in 5 minutes' or 'win a game off his win boot'. Think swooper northey, obviously royce hart, Richo, Brett Deledio. You dont think Mick Malthouse, Kevin Sheedy, Brandon Ellis, and I am arguing that Vlastuin wont be that kind of player. Crucially important players, certainly, but not matchwinners IMO. Sides that win flags in recent history have them. Buddy franklin, Ryan O'Keefe, Steve Johnson, Alan Didak. Players that turn the volume up to 11 for 15 minutes and take the game. I am arguing that the tigers need a couple of these to take the heat off JR. Garner looks to fit the bill to me.
On Spencer White, I said it was a project punt, which I reckon 43 is good for.
McBean, you could be right. Sheehan reckons hes the 2nd best ruck in the draft (like TV was and we paid 8 for him), which is good enough for 34 for me. maybe he is a skinny backman, but hes 203 at 18 years old, he aint always gonna be skinny. Looks a bit like a young darren Jolly to me.
I am assuming we get Dom Tyson next year which gives us Cotchin, Conca, Foley, lids, martin, tyson, (pick 32) as core midfield for next 5 years. Thats good enough for me and i'll say it again, lets roll the dice A BIT and get someone who can take a couple of big pack marks, stick a goal through from 55 and turn a game (read Taylor Garner, pick 9 and Spencer White, pick 43) and punch/tackle the *smile* out of the running half back (C. Yarran) at the same time (T. Garner)
