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Pick 9 ND 2012 – Who should we pick?
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Baloo said:
I thought that was fantastic too. Bit of sting about this kid. If he was on the board at 9, I would take him. But I highly doubt the AFL will be that harsh on Melbourne and take him away from them. The deal was done before things got murky.
SCOOP said:
The problem is that they can't just say we'll let you have him but we'll be taking away all your picks. Either way, something has to be compromised and I highly doubt the AFL will be in a generous mood given they will be subjected to blowtorch scrutiny by the media.
SCOOP said:
I think Viney could take a change in his stride. It's not like he's going to be disadvantaged. Most of his peers have no idea if they will get selected nor what club or state they will be selected for. No biggie.
And as BS said, if the AFL de IDE to use picks as the punishment instead of deregistration, public flogging and castration, then they need to do it properly. The AFL have been to weak about tanking so they need to ge it right now.
If Viney makes it to our pick I'd be happy because he sounds like he's got what it takes between the ears to be a player.
Re Grundy at 9 I don't know. We already took tv at 8 wasn't it so not sure going another high first rounder on a ruck is the way to go. Personally I reckon an A grade mid at 9. but it's tough call
Agree - it has only got murky as the press have picked up on the latest dealings now, the AFL would have this info and should know what they want to do - my guess is that they need to take a position to the commission on both Melb and Adelaide to sign off before they can legally do anything (under the afl rules) and my guess is they will come down hard on both.Mr Magic said:
Could see Viney being returned to this years draft and Hogan to next years draft and they loose pick 4 along with their others. The rest is a bit hard to unwind (like take Melbs other pick 3 off GWS).
It would be a great win to us as pick 9 suddenly becomes pick 8 and their is another top 10 player thrown into the mix.
Heres to hoping anyway
Grundy will be a interesting test case for the drafting of rucks.
He is clearly the best ruck and has everything you want out of a ruck. Great size (202cm 100kg) huge leap and very good below his knees. For me his coordination is the thing that most impresses me. Moves likke a onballer. Not quick but fluid. He really could be a elite ruckman in five years. But he could take seven. And that brings him close to free agecny. Rucks will now get paid overs in FA because teams want a quick fix. A ready to go ruck.
Will teams take that risk or will they go for mids that will produce much quicker. It's a new age. Things have changed.
He is clearly the best ruck and has everything you want out of a ruck. Great size (202cm 100kg) huge leap and very good below his knees. For me his coordination is the thing that most impresses me. Moves likke a onballer. Not quick but fluid. He really could be a elite ruckman in five years. But he could take seven. And that brings him close to free agecny. Rucks will now get paid overs in FA because teams want a quick fix. A ready to go ruck.
Will teams take that risk or will they go for mids that will produce much quicker. It's a new age. Things have changed.
SCOOP said:
Yep, that sums it up nicely. The basketball background really shines through in his general play, and given he's relatively new to the game, you could expect a significant upside. The only thing I'll disagree on is the timeframe, I think he'll be matching it with the best in 3-4 years. Much like Tippett, you can just sense that he'll be a quick developer, I've always considered junior basketballers to have a significant advantage over other players that are new to the game.
On the topic of free-agency and rucks, one needs to be careful not to follow the herd here. I'd much rather be a seller than a buyer if the new paradigm sees junior rucks being pushed down the pecking order. These trends can also be fleeting, we've seen it with the rush for athletes over footballers, we've seen sub 175cm being pushed aside for less skilled 185cm players and we've seen youth favoured over better credentialed state league players.
Given our precarious situation with rucks, I'd pick Grundy and grab a couple of decent onballers with 32 & 34. We could even rookie a guy like Shane Nelson to fill our quota of midfielders, there's certainly a lot more flexibility with our decision-making in that regard.
If Grundy lands in our lap, we'd be crazy not to seriously consider what he brings to the table. I for one, would be sleeping a lot easier knowing we've effectively sewn up our ruck division for the next decade. It certainly beats scrounging around for leftovers in the free trading frenzy.
Yeah true BH. I am not anti Grundy. We would have to go mid-mid-mid with our next three.
Grundy would be given time at Richmond. Maric and Vickery holding the main line and Derickx in reserve then Grundy. If he followed the Vickery path of developement that would be fine.
Grundy would be given time at Richmond. Maric and Vickery holding the main line and Derickx in reserve then Grundy. If he followed the Vickery path of developement that would be fine.
bullus_hit said:
Yeah me too BH. I reckon another consideration is that ruckman are a bit like 4WD utes, they hold their value. Pick him at 9 and if he comes on, beauty, but if he doesnt, you trade him for first rounder in 5 years if he is only half decent. Angus Graham is a rusty Great Wall with a stuffed gearbox and we got pick 40 for him. Big Grundypants looks like a SR5 Hilux too me.
I cant see him getting to 9 though.
tigergollywog said:
It's a line ball decsion, Mayes or Grundy to Port. The other wildcard is Viney, if Melbourne lose their picks, I'm presuming Port will take Viney given they bid for him. That scenario isn't beyond the realms of possibility.
It is possible Jack Viney will be available. (I trust Caro's scoop on matters HQ as a rule.)
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/we-tried-to-stop-tanking-20121031-28kea.html#ixzz2As1ck72G
Just out of interest, noble students of the draft, can Grundy stand between five other blokes and mark a footy? Does he do that often?
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/we-tried-to-stop-tanking-20121031-28kea.html#ixzz2As1ck72G
Just out of interest, noble students of the draft, can Grundy stand between five other blokes and mark a footy? Does he do that often?
Dyer'ere said:
He's getting much better Jack, his improvement over the past 12 months has been noteworthy and I think he's tracking in a similar manner to Tippett. I predict that he'll cause a few headaches when resting in the FP and will be an incredibly difficult match-up.
His goal kicking needs some work but I don't see any technical issues which will hold him back, his action is reasonably fluid for a 203cm player and he gets good distance and elevation. Given we've moved into an era of multi-tasking ruckman, I think Grundy's attributes stack up pretty well.
Heres a question.
If the Tigers were very strong possibility of snaring Tyson next year would it be worth taking Grundy.
Reason behind it is this.
Tyson will have 2 years development in him and will slot straight in and feasibly add more impact than a kid a year behind him whilst getting a very very highly rated tall ruck ect to go forward with when Ivan is gone.
I get the feeling this scenario isnt out of the question if Grundy is still available and thats what it comes down to in the end.
Can see Port taking him though.
The Tigers interest in Tyson shouldnt have dropped off im sure they will be at him all year if they are still fair dinkum.
If the Tigers were very strong possibility of snaring Tyson next year would it be worth taking Grundy.
Reason behind it is this.
Tyson will have 2 years development in him and will slot straight in and feasibly add more impact than a kid a year behind him whilst getting a very very highly rated tall ruck ect to go forward with when Ivan is gone.
I get the feeling this scenario isnt out of the question if Grundy is still available and thats what it comes down to in the end.
Can see Port taking him though.
The Tigers interest in Tyson shouldnt have dropped off im sure they will be at him all year if they are still fair dinkum.
Interesting some are stating Vlastuin at #9 is reaching a bit.
Another hard winning skilled distributor is required Vlastuin fits the bill with a good head on his shoulders its all pointing to him.
Throw in Tyson next year
to add some extra inside skill and outside run and skill the middle will be much better served.
Another hard winning skilled distributor is required Vlastuin fits the bill with a good head on his shoulders its all pointing to him.
Throw in Tyson next year
to add some extra inside skill and outside run and skill the middle will be much better served.I cant see the Melbourne tanking investigation being sorted until after the draft which would be most convenient for rules on the run AFL Pollet Bureau.
Adelaide will get smacked but the Dees thing will drag on to no real conclusion i reckon the scenarios and can of worms it will open if the AFL admit there was tanking will be massive it will call for other clubs to be investigated, punting and betting agencies ect ect ect.
I think the AFL are doing their best to be seen to be doing the whole 9 yards on this without actuaklly doing too much or digging too deep well thats how theyd like to play it im sure.
Adelaide will get smacked but the Dees thing will drag on to no real conclusion i reckon the scenarios and can of worms it will open if the AFL admit there was tanking will be massive it will call for other clubs to be investigated, punting and betting agencies ect ect ect.
I think the AFL are doing their best to be seen to be doing the whole 9 yards on this without actuaklly doing too much or digging too deep well thats how theyd like to play it im sure.
