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Pick 29: Shai Bolton
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Probably 2019 would be a good result.
2017 would be catastrophic.
We'd have lost any ability to compete or value to trade with for 10 years.
Be good to know who's falling off the cliff next year that would love a pick in the top 30 this year.
Cats have 14/34.
Dees -7/38
Pies have 29.
Think those 3 can drop off next year.
Offer up first of our 2nd rnds for a F1.
I think we'll hold the 1st pick of the 2nd round until the draft. We'll field plenty of offers, with the draft being so deep and everyone has a different mix of where each kid fits into the draft, its logical to think some players will slide, and teams that really want that player will make some very enticing offers.
For example, these offers have happened in previous years.
2023 GWS trade for Pick 17 and give up Pick 18 and a F2 (tied to Adelaide)
2023 Essendon traded for Pick 10 for 11 and 31
2022 Hawks traded for Pick 18 and gave up 27, F2 (Hawks) and a F3 (Hawks)
2021 Port traded for Pick 12 and gave up 14 and a F2
With the draft being so even, I reckon if we had a group of those early 20's picks, we will look to trade them for future value at the draft, will probably get better value at the draft IMO. Could be similar to what we did with the McAuliffe pick last year, essentially dropped back 5 spots and gained 2 additional 3rd round picks.
Could see Trade weeks and Draft nights being pretty interesting for Richmond fans.
If ever there has been a time to flop in the season, go for a rebuild and have players asking for trades then this is the year, especially with the bevy of picks we already have.
The total sum of those years suggests it's still a complete crap shoot.
Only have to look at our 2021 draft to see that.
Nothing guaranteed. we have to keep going to the well until we build a team that can take us to the next Flag.
More proof that high draft picks can often be overrated. Take 2016. Save for Taranto, McCLuggage and Ainsworth, the top 10 is highly underwhelming, and it's possible that as many as three of those ten players will no longer be on an AFL list in 2025. The real gold in that draft came after this - including our very own Shai.
Hopefully we can nab some gems both this year and in the coming seasons, rather than investing all our hopes in 2024 first rounders.
I just don't understand talk of trading out all our best mid 20s players for a lottery.
Like what if these highly fancied juniors are Ben Lennon, Corey Ellis & Coleman-Jones?
Where does that leave the club?
We're losing a lot of top end talent anyway with retirements soon enough. We're going to need some balance.
Like what if these highly fancied juniors are Ben Lennon, Corey Ellis & Coleman-Jones?
Where does that leave the club?
We're losing a lot of top end talent anyway with retirements soon enough. We're going to need some balance.
An original pick 3 valued at what 2200 points. Best ruck/fwd in the game. at just age 21 a premiership player and rising star nominee in just two seasons.
He projected forward as one of the best talls in the comp Fremantle paid what was a fairish price imo. What Melbourne would not give to still have him atm.
Did they have to pay that for an out of contract player? maybe not but most clubs dont screw each other over anymore.
They went at Jackson because of talent and list needs. Treacy was a rookie pick and only arrived the year before as an 18yr old.They did did not know what they had or how quickly he would develop. They took Amiss at pick 8 the year before and they traded for Jackson the following year. In two years they fixed the hardest thing to fix in footy finding good key forwards you tend to pay overs for them.
What am i going to give up for an all be it quality small, given on my list i currently have as many as 8 sml/medium forwards at various stages of development.? Yes thats what they have. Am i going to trade out of what has been described as a very good even draft up to the point where i have very good picks.
The one thing that does stick in the back of my mind is the age of Walters.
yes Shai would be great to have but im not selling the farm to get a small forward no matter how good he is or how good i think he is. Reckon Collingwood have learnt that lesson.
For me its simple do i sell the farm for a cream on top type or do i keep my draft hand which by the way is a super strong one in a very good draft.
Obviously if in their position im hanging onto most of my picks thats how much i like this draft, others well tiger supporters will see it differently.
They know its a good draft and want the club to find ways to get into it.
He projected forward as one of the best talls in the comp Fremantle paid what was a fairish price imo. What Melbourne would not give to still have him atm.
Did they have to pay that for an out of contract player? maybe not but most clubs dont screw each other over anymore.
They went at Jackson because of talent and list needs. Treacy was a rookie pick and only arrived the year before as an 18yr old.They did did not know what they had or how quickly he would develop. They took Amiss at pick 8 the year before and they traded for Jackson the following year. In two years they fixed the hardest thing to fix in footy finding good key forwards you tend to pay overs for them.
What am i going to give up for an all be it quality small, given on my list i currently have as many as 8 sml/medium forwards at various stages of development.? Yes thats what they have. Am i going to trade out of what has been described as a very good even draft up to the point where i have very good picks.
The one thing that does stick in the back of my mind is the age of Walters.
yes Shai would be great to have but im not selling the farm to get a small forward no matter how good he is or how good i think he is. Reckon Collingwood have learnt that lesson.
For me its simple do i sell the farm for a cream on top type or do i keep my draft hand which by the way is a super strong one in a very good draft.
Obviously if in their position im hanging onto most of my picks thats how much i like this draft, others well tiger supporters will see it differently.
They know its a good draft and want the club to find ways to get into it.
We are talking about trading out just one player, Dan Rioli, well i am anyway.
Baker is uncontracted and if he wants to go will go, Smart money is on him going. The smart thing is to accomodate him as best we can and ensure we get some good compensation.
Graham is also in the Baker boat If he wants out he will go. As with Baker the smart thing is to do what? You guessed it.
We are dictated to in many ways with the advent of Tasmania if want access to quality kids.. We really need access to the next two drafts or suffer the consequences.
I dont get the angst neither Liam or Daniel are likely to be there by the time we draft good kids address all the list needs and then get enough of them close to 100 games.
It is highly likely we will lose more players wanting out as we spend a period near the bottom.
So who are these small / medium forwards that they can work with?
Their list is prime for a hit at a Premiership but has a very obvious weakness, and thats in the forward half. Freos scores for are ranked 8th in the AFL, just 20 more points scored than Collingwood, who have had all ranges of issues with their forwards this year. They average 87 per game, the last 2 premiers were 93 and 97. Against the top 8 Freo have a W/L ratio of 3/4 this year so less than 50% with a % of just 87%. Points for against the top 8 are only 76, which is only a goal and a half more than we have kicked and we've been schizen this year.
They have 2 good talls as you say in Treacy and Amiss, with Sturt doing well as the mid size (1.7 goals per game), but where are the smalls? Against Essendon, they played Banfield, Fredericks and Emmett as their smalls I think . The 1st 2 average about a goal a game, and Emmett about half a goal a game. Thats your issue right there.
They have a core of players in the right age group, Young, Serong, Clark, Frederick, Sturt, Brayshaw, Cox, Darcy, Banfield and Switkowski are all aged between 23-27 which are the group that should be doing the heavy lifting in pushing forward for a premiership.
Sure they could take 4 picks in the top 25 to the draft if they like, but these guys will likely take several years to develop and really start impacting, so some of those older guys would be getting closer to 30 by then, the likes of Walters, Fyfe, JOM, Pearce, Aish and Ryan could be finished by then (Pearce and Ryan are important in this scenario). IMO they need to strike whilst the iron is hot. Their defence is their 1 wood at the moment, leave it 3 years to get these kids up to the speed and intensity of the AFL, and Pearce is probably done at 32, Ryan would be 31 and suddenly their strength isn't their strength anymore.
Their prime premiership winning odds, are probably 2025-2029, you'd want them to burn that time so that they can keep drafting when you have an outstanding player available to you?
There is a time to focus on the draft and there is also a prime time to top up with mature age talent. I look back at us in 2016, had we not removed ourselves from the upper parts of the draft and signed up Prestia, Caddy and Nank, then we probably don't win any of those premierships. Getting your premiership list right and time it right, is difficult to get right and very easy to *smile* up.
I don't want to lose Bolton, but if I'm Freo, I'm throwing everything I have at him.
ToO here is where this argument falls down and will continue to fall down
let's say we just trade Baker, satisfying yours and others needs for a semblance of "balance" to give us picks 1, 16 and 21
insert your comment now
and we end up in a much worse position. a lottery in your words, right?
yes, we still have Bolton and Rioli, but we are still a bottom side with Lennon, Corey-Ellis and Coleman-Jones to show for it
the argument is deeply flawed and such conservatism would actually set us back further into the wilderness than going for a major haul
let's trust in the recruiters - they won't get all our projected picks (if the trades go through) wrong
with the added (and not insignificant) benefit of a group coming through at the same time
and for those who are still holding out hope that the prince and shai might not be traded, the club are modern day masters of media messaging.
they're both done. sailed.
freo and god coast will need to cough up at *least* market worth, potentially overs, and the deals will be done.
they're both done. sailed.
freo and god coast will need to cough up at *least* market worth, potentially overs, and the deals will be done.
A benefit of accumulating a large number of early picks that hasn’t been discussed is the game GWS and GCS continually play in trading them for future picks. Also accumulating’best available’ mids and trading them out as required to always have several early picks. It’s a dirty game but it may enable us to get on that bandwagon for the next few years while we build a list.
But what if we pick the next Cotch, Jaaack n Presty in the draft? We're in a massive transition period with our list, we could hang on to some bloody good players n try to hover around mid table for a year or three, going nowhere satisfying nor anyone. Or we could bite the bullet n attack what's deemed to be a very deep and talented draft flat out, pick the eyes out of it with half a dozen top 20ish picks. Attack next years draft as well and accept the fact that there's going to be a dead cat bounce after our 3 premierships, hope the recruiters do a premium job over these couple of drafts n be back hunting and contending again in say 5 years time.
Footy clubs are all about selling hope to the duffle coated numpties, one method sells some mediocrity while the players continue to get older n fade away. The other tightens the arse clench factor while offering another view of future potential glory.
I'm getting way to old to shuffle along the path of fading mediocrity, I'd much rather go out swinging n cheering while hanging over footy's cliffs edge.
Is Shai actually wanting to go ?
Does Daniel actually want to go?
Or is it just the same easy click bait jornalism to generate revenue.
Broad going to North ..............righto .........Was never going.
Dustin to GCS Bookmark it. Dusty retires.
I'll give them Baker and Graham they look likely to be gone.
I actually still think Shai and Dan could well still be at Tigerland next year.
Does Daniel actually want to go?
Or is it just the same easy click bait jornalism to generate revenue.
Broad going to North ..............righto .........Was never going.
Dustin to GCS Bookmark it. Dusty retires.
I'll give them Baker and Graham they look likely to be gone.
I actually still think Shai and Dan could well still be at Tigerland next year.
