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Nankervis !!

leon said:
Since you named them, and this is just rucks, you can go further - back to Richard Lounder. Look him up, back when KB coached us.
I don't have to look him up because I watched every game he played.

I have spent many years trying to delete him and Anthony Banik from my memory banks as number 1 picks
 
leon said:
Hammer had to play because Eevan near crippled by injuries. Most tiger fans would concede it was lucky we had him to fill the breach. It was not a choice so much as an imperative. But you are welcome to think Vickery or McBean would have carried first ruck. Just provide your evidence. :spin
Clearly noone can provide evidence because it didn't happen but to me it was always worth a shot. Not with McBean but playing Griffiths and Vickery as a tag team ruck combination.

Hampson offers so little around the ground that it was worth seeing if the alternative gave us more, much as the Dogs did with Roughead and Boyd rather than bringing in Minson. It was a choice between an ok ruckman who gives very little else and getting beaten in the ruck but with more on offer around the ground.
 
bullus_hit said:
Here's Lounder's debut, first glimpse at the 6 minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu9FqNWuSYE

Look for Clarkson the dirty little bastard at 1:55:25. The next year Barry Young knocked him out with the dirtiest elbow you could ever see.

We had a colossal lead with 15 minutes to go, by which time conditions were extremely dark (lights not switched on) and North rattled on a string of goals.
 
Sintiger said:
Clearly noone can provide evidence because it didn't happen but to me it was always worth a shot. Not with McBean but playing Griffiths and Vickery as a tag team ruck combination.

Hampson offers so little around the ground that it was worth seeing if the alternative gave us more, much as the Dogs did with Roughead and Boyd rather than bringing in Minson. It was a choice between an ok ruckman who gives very little else and getting beaten in the ruck but with more on offer around the ground.

No-one can provide it because it doesn't exist, at least with the Bean. Sadly could never make it as a ruck, without adding about 10 more kgs possibly. Re Vickery, if you saw his 'evasive' tactics against top opponents like NicNat, that was enough for me ... never again to be trusted to compete.

Nank is and will be better around the ground. Hammer knows this is his weakness and made some improvement - probably his best ever year stats wise, but HOs are his strength. Everyone's rapt with Nank, as am I. But there's a huge trap in putting your eggs in one basket. Brisvegas proved you needed four reasonable rucks on your list to be able to get through the year and compete in finals when they won their flags. We noted that, wisely. Look at PA in 2016 without Ryder and Lobbe; Trengove manned up but no match for the quality giant ruckmen.

You can't have your eggs in just the one basket. I've already posted several times - most teams play two rucks - including the top 8 last year. Norf looking hard at including 206cm Preuss for Daw probably. Game 1, Blues likely to go with Kreuz and Phillips with further talls in attack; game 2, the Filth with Grundy and Cox, plus two further talls in attack.

Do you thing Nank will cope with being double-teamed and run hard around the G? Sure Griff is good back-up, but then we have to send Jack out roaming. Want Griff at CHF as much as possible.

Not sure when Hampson will be fit, but still think he will play a role against some opponents, especially the teams with huge men, as he gets air and can still win HOs or neutralise them. I'm curious how they will go if so. Not sure EEvan is really up to the pace of the game any more.
 
Nankervis is a plus. Hampson is a liability. As Hammer makes us worse as a team (empirically backed up by win loss and clearance numbers) arguments in favour of playing him carry little weight.
 
nankers looks good, and defo looks a better option than V-Hammer at this early stage.

But I reckon the V-Ham hate is a little harsh.

He provided reasonable service last year.

but, yeah, to improve we need V-hammer as a depth ruckman.
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Look for Clarkson the dirty little bastard at 1:55:25. The next year Barry Young knocked him out with the dirtiest elbow you could ever see.

We had a colossal lead with 15 minutes to go, by which time conditions were extremely dark (lights not switched on) and North rattled on a string of goals.

What a dog's act by Clarkson. Do you know how many weeks he got?

Was at the game where Barry Young knocked out Clarkson. At the PRE IIRC.
 
easy said:
nankers looks good, and defo looks a better option than V-Hammer at this early stage.

But I reckon the V-Ham hate is a little harsh.

He provided reasonable service last year.

but, yeah, to improve we need V-hammer as a depth ruckman.
I'm there with you et, Hammer may not be Sean Wren, however he was serviceable against some quality opponents last year, handy back up now.
 
easy said:
nankers looks good, and defo looks a better option than V-Hammer at this early stage.

But I reckon the V-Ham hate is a little harsh.

He provided reasonable service last year.

but, yeah, to improve we need V-hammer as a depth ruckman.

Depends how much you rate pure hitouts totals irrelevant of them leading to consistent clearance wins or not.

Didn't offer anything around the ground, not many relief marks, goals. So if the clearances aren't consistently in our favour because of hitouts...well

I wouldn't call that serviceable. More liability.
 
easy said:
nankers looks good, and defo looks a better option than V-Hammer at this early stage.

But I reckon the V-Ham hate is a little harsh.

He provided reasonable service last year.

but, yeah, to improve we need V-hammer as a depth ruckman.
I would have Maric and Soldo before Hampson.

His inability to get involved after the center bounce or ball ups is a massive liability.
 
Smoking Aces said:
I would have Maric and Soldo before Hampson.

His inability to get involved after the center bounce or ball ups is a massive liability.

with respect Smokin', Evarn was cooked last year, and hammer was servicable.

I get that he's no Shane Mumford, but he was recruited for depth IMO, and depth he has provided.

CC TIGER said:
I'm there with you et, Hammer may not be Sean Wren, however he was serviceable against some quality opponents last year, handy back up now.

Rehny was a beauty CC, and is a mate of mine, in retirement up here Byron way. His knees are totally *smile*ed.

A couple of keen VFL-watchers I met recently, Taztiger4 and Caesar, are rating Soldo. So fingers crossed, the velvet hammer becomes our 3rd or 4th choice before long.
 
leon said:
No-one can provide it because it doesn't exist, at least with the Bean. Sadly could never make it as a ruck, without adding about 10 more kgs possibly. Re Vickery, if you saw his 'evasive' tactics against top opponents like NicNat, that was enough for me ... never again to be trusted to compete.

Nank is and will be better around the ground. Hammer knows this is his weakness and made some improvement - probably his best ever year stats wise, but HOs are his strength. Everyone's rapt with Nank, as am I. But there's a huge trap in putting your eggs in one basket. Brisvegas proved you needed four reasonable rucks on your list to be able to get through the year and compete in finals when they won their flags. We noted that, wisely. Look at PA in 2016 without Ryder and Lobbe; Trengove manned up but no match for the quality giant ruckmen.

You can't have your eggs in just the one basket. I've already posted several times - most teams play two rucks - including the top 8 last year. Norf looking hard at including 206cm Preuss for Daw probably. Game 1, Blues likely to go with Kreuz and Phillips with further talls in attack; game 2, the Filth with Grundy and Cox, plus two further talls in attack.

Do you thing Nank will cope with being double-teamed and run hard around the G? Sure Griff is good back-up, but then we have to send Jack out roaming. Want Griff at CHF as much as possible.

Not sure when Hampson will be fit, but still think he will play a role against some opponents, especially the teams with huge men, as he gets air and can still win HOs or neutralise them. I'm curious how they will go if so. Not sure EEvan is really up to the pace of the game any more.
All I said was that it was worth a go to try and see how Griff and Vickery went together in the ruck.

I think Nankervis will be fine as first ruck in most cases a I would partner him with Griffiths and add a 3rd tall to the forward line rather than add a ruckman to who does little else when we come up against a side who has a strong ruck division.

I just don't rate Hampson
 
easy said:
with respect Smokin', Evarn was cooked last year, and hammer was servicable.

I get that he's no Shane Mumford, but he was recruited for depth IMO, and depth he has provided.

Rehny was a beauty CC, and is a mate of mine, in retirement up here Byron way. His knees are totally *smile*ed.

A couple of keen VFL-watchers I met recently, Taztiger4 and Caesar, are rating Soldo. So fingers crossed, the velvet hammer becomes our 3rd or 4th choice before long.
Did one on the rubber plate in the centre circle I think ? Just about the best I've seen easy
 
The Hamspter got better and better as the year went one. He even took contested marks in the forward line. Scored from one or two of them as well.

At the stoppages he'll be even more damaging now that the 3rd man has been banned. Write off the Mighty Hampster at your peril.