Lyon merely exercising his rights as in the terms of the contract he had with the saints...hmmm...still strikes me as being an ordinary bloke. But I guess you don't have to be well liked to be successful. I'm glad I don't know him..
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Mark Harvey Sacked- Official
- Thread starter Punxsutawney Phil
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Tiger17 said:
If Saints didn't recover from their slump and finished last this year and the St Kilda FC exercised their right to dismiss him would that make them ordinary? No, would make logical business sense and demanded by most supporters. Lyon had to put up with a lot of rubbish at the Saints. Maybe he's just fed up with the unprofessionalism.
People thinking about loyalty in terms of profession are sadly living way in the past. There is no loyalty by organisations in todays society as their is none in terms of employees. It's a fact and a way of life. The AFL are just a reflection of society in terms of this.
Tubytiger said:
Maybe loyalty is the wrong term but everyone deserves to be treated transparently and honestly even now, if they didn't want Harvey sack him at seasons end. The fact is they wanted to have their cake and eat it to and they ended up orchestrating it extremely badly. The Aints appointment of Grant Thomas looks like a model of how to appoint someone in comparison.
IanG said:
And how is that different to 90% of any other coach sackings of the last 100 years? Maybe they should have inclued Harvey in the meetings to give his opinions of Lyon's abilities?
I think Harvey has been hard done by but Fremantle clearly saw what they see as a better way forward with Lyon and if that opportunity arises they should explore every possibility. I wouldn't expect any less of the Tigers. Whether Lyon is a better choice moving forward is debatable.
My elder brother is a very good friend of an ex-assistant St. Kilda coach or was that a coach of a St. Kilda affiliate, can't remember. He is now enjoying a warmer climate. Anyhoo....he knows Lyon reasonably well, and describes him as an absolute C, with a capital C. He also says SOS couldn't get out quick enough.
U2Tigers said:
Your employer must be on their lonesome there then U2. I know a number of recruitment agents out there that both headhunt and are just normal agents that agree that loyalty has gone a number of years ago. But good on your employer - a diamond in amongst the rough mate.
Why is everyone saying Lyon took the Saints to 3 GF's when it was only 2. They didn't win the drawn one.
Tubytiger said:
maybe the loyalty I mean is a little different to this.
In my job - you have security, hard to get sacked, but you just can't up and quit either.
But Loyalty comes in different ways to. You may not like a plan a boss or someone else has come up with, but once the boss has made his descision to go with the plan, regardless if you like it or not, it then becomes your job to sell it to everyone else as if it is your plan and make it work.
GoodOne said:
You don't get loyalty via paying someone, you get it via how you behave as an organisation and look after your people. My guess is that Jarrad McVeigh would be relucatant to leave the Swans after how everyone rallied around him. I'd guess Harry O'Brien has a high opinion of the Pies after they helped him when his dad suicided. You look after people and they will look after you. I suppose Dimma feels some sort of loyalty to us because we showed faith in him and gave him a chance.
Run a good club, look after your people, behave with respect and you will get loyalty. Just not to the degree where someone will work for half what they can get elsewhere.
