Luke McGuane

[hopper]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

Thought McGuane was pretty good yesterday, albeit against low-grade opposition. He's just got to know his limitations when he's got the ball.

I reckon we need to write on his hand before each game:
1. Handball to Lids
2. Kick long down the line.

Whenever he sticks to that he's a much more solid contributor.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

Every premiership side needs it's hard nuts...... like a Rough Robbie ;D

In a Premiership model every player should be hard.

No excuses. the question is - in what positions should we sacrifice raw footy talent? CHB? Nup.

Brother, I'm a fan. But if he can't play fullback he's gawn. Martin, Cotchin, Ja-a-a-a-a-ck, (That would be #1 and #2 mids, who else has them? OMG) Deledio and maybe Connors, are not far off the right stuff.

I could easily name ten players who've gone mental this year without the retardation of Wallet and so could you. But do you honeslty think Lace-Out has gone forward?

Eleven games to go. (IMO a dropping would be a godsend for the indomitable Muscles.)

 

[TigerMasochist]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

Luke had a clasic 2010 Muscles game. He slaughtered them in the air and then brained our team when he had the ball. I was once a fan but I aint no more.

Marking time IMO.

While stats are never anywhere near the be all and end all of a discussion Muscles managed 18 possessions at 83% efficiency, most perhaps surprisingly to some as uncontested. Muscles kills them in the air and manages to provide a loose release option for whoever it is picks up his crumbs. He did manage a couple of classic Muscles moments back to back that had me cringeing and cursing him but overall he's been steadily consolidating his matchday performances.
Just as an afterthought I wonder how long Muscles would have let Jaaaack slaughter him if he'd been playing in defense for Wet Coke? Wet Coke boys had no idea what to do against Jaaack but I reckon Lukey would have put a couple of huge body hits on him just to make him think a little.

 

[evo]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

That play where he an Moore had Le CRas stone cold pressed up against the boundary and inexplicably Mcguane peeled off him, p!ssed me right orf.

Should've buried LeCras in front of the members but instead let him snap the goal.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

That play where he an Moore had Le CRas stone cold pressed up against the boundary and inexplicably Mcguane peeled off him, p!ssed me right orf.

Should've buried LeCras in front of the members but instead let him snap the goal.

Agree that was probably his worst moment in the game. Frustrating that he found himself in no man's land.
Did plenty of good though too evo.

 

[Hayfever]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

In a Premiership model every player should be hard.

No excuses. the question is - in what positions should we sacrifice raw footy talent? CHB? Nup.

Brother, I'm a fan. But if he can't play fullback he's gawn. Martin, Cotchin, Ja-a-a-a-a-ck, (That would be #1 and #2 mids, who else has them? OMG) Deledio and maybe Connors, are not far off the right stuff.

I could easily name ten players who've gone mental this year without the retardation of Wallet and so could you. But do you honeslty think Lace-Out has gone forward?

Eleven games to go. (IMO a dropping would be a godsend for the indomitable Muscles.)

Like many others you always fall for the theoretical argument. The fact is we have no-one else to do the job and there is nothing yet on the horizon. Some people have this crazy notion about turning Post into a CHB.... sheesh! Let's get fair dinkum for a change. Post, Polak, Rance and Gourdis are not the answer yet and may never be. Plenty of people who knock Muscles were pumping Thursfield but even they have been very quiet in recent times.

Those who think McGuane is not a keeper ought to do their research on his games against Hawthorn. Very few have handled Franklin as well as he has. Buddy is a bully and does not like close physical attention. Muscles really gives it to him and comes out on top most of the time. We have no-one else who can do this as effectively.

Sure McGuane has deficiences but our main problem is a lack of backup and height to support him.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

While stats are never anywhere near the be all and end all of a discussion Muscles managed 18 possessions at 83% efficiency, most perhaps surprisingly to some as uncontested. Muscles kills them in the air and manages to provide a loose release option for whoever it is picks up his crumbs. He did manage a couple of classic Muscles moments back to back that had me cringeing and cursing him but overall he's been steadily consolidating his matchday performances.
Just as an afterthought I wonder how long Muscles would have let Jaaaack slaughter him if he'd been playing in defense for Wet Coke? Wet Coke boys had no idea what to do against Jaaack but I reckon Lukey would have put a couple of huge body hits on him just to make him think a little.

Muscles would have done better than any of the Worst Coached lepers who played on Jack. (Where is claw? OMG! claw you love the Worst Coached.) But Jack would have still kicked a lazy eight.

He aint improved with the ball, TM. And that's the benefit and the risk with Butthead. His mistress, Mark Williams accidentally injected real body mass into his premiership side: Hardwick was among them but Francou was injured and James (90 odd kgs) went head to head with a young Lenny Hayes, who would have prostate examined Josh Francou. Like I say - Alan Scott, you were stiff.

Did Beavis inherit the love of the midget? Nason? Farmer? Scrawn Central. Time wil tell.

That play where he an Moore had Le CRas stone cold pressed up against the boundary and inexplicably Mcguane peeled off him, p!ssed me right orf.

Should've buried LeCras in front of the members but instead let him snap the goal.

I don't remember that one but. Early on Kelvin Moore (who can play) got 500mm centre side of Le Cras on the boundary (a terible mistake) and the under rated multiskilled goal sneak for the We Girls turned him inside out and goaled. I couldn't hang one and not the other. (Fact is I like Moore.) Kennedy, who is blue collar and plays high, beat Lace-out on the day IMO.

 

[lukeanddad]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

Really enjoyed muscles' game. I agree he should NEVER run past to receive the handball (We have Lids, Connors and Newmo to do a bit more of that) but very rarely beaten overhead and a lot stronger than he looks.

He is probably our best tall defender at present, so do not understand the criticism.

... yeah, that LeCras goal made us look silly. But he's a very good player.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

Hardwick gave Muscles a big wrap in his presser after game. Then again what would he know? ???

Fair enough too.
McGuane was much improved on last week.

Agree that he's our best option currently as a tall defender.
Astbury looks the most likely to perhaps replace him in time. Makes very good decisions.
If and when that happens, well and good.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

Like many others you always fall for the theoretical argument. The fact is we have no-one else to do the job and there is nothing yet on the horizon. Some people have this crazy notion about turning Post into a CHB.... sheesh! Let's get fair dinkum for a change. Post, Polak, Rance and Gourdis are not the answer yet and may never be. Plenty of people who knock Muscles were pumping Thursfield but even they have been very quiet in recent times.

Those who think McGuane is not a keeper ought to do their research on his games against Hawthorn. Very few have handled Franklin as well as he has. Buddy is a bully and does not like close physical attention. Muscles really gives it to him and comes out on top most of the time. We have no-one else who can do this as effectively.

Sure McGuane has deficiences but our main problem is a lack of backup and height to support him.

Brother... I love the idea that I always fall for anything. I wish.

Anyways, here's my point: I'd rather Ray Hall than Muscles. Yeah, I know. That was so obvious.

 

[lukeanddad]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

Anyways, here's my point: I'd rather Ray Hall than Muscles. Yeah, I know. That was so obvious.

Oh my God! I remember Ray as a man playing on Buddy as a boy and it was a non-stop laugh from start to end. Muscles is so far ahead of Ray, its not funny...

 

[josey]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

Oh my God! I remember Ray as a man playing on Buddy as a boy and it was a non-stop laugh from start to end. Muscles is so far ahead of Ray, its not funny...

I also remember Ray lining up on James Hird who was in his prime, the thought makes me shudder.

Poor Ray, he should have taken Danny Frawley to court afterwards.

Fair enough too.
McGuane was much improved on last week.

Agree that he's our best option currently as a tall defender.
Astbury looks the most likely to perhaps replace him in time. Makes very good decisions.
If and when that happens, well and good.

He may be our best option at present but the reality is that he will never have the capacity to play as a number 1 defender in an A grade side.

Hardwick is right in playing Astbury at CHB, we need to look for upgrades. McGuane should be replaced with Gourdis as soon as possible IMO.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

Nance Bloody Flankling was then, even more than now, a recidivist of the pockets. Not Ray's go.

Your #1 defender lets him take his chances from there. If the world were orthodox Hall's natural opponent woud be Roughead.

You don't base your defensive structure on Hawthorn. Freakish forward line-up. (If you wanna beat em - and Wallet did that - you make Flankling mark over a man LOL.)

#1 defensive tall is a Rutten type. (Or who's the redhead from Brisbane - I used to know.) #2 has to use the ball. This is not recent - it's seventies *smile*.

Mc Guane is too skinny and not aggressive enough to play #1 spot and he is too footy illiterate to play #2.

McGuane? No improvement in 2010, unlike ten or twelve of his team mates. I used to be a fan.

 

[jb03]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

I don't remember that one but. Early on Kelvin Moore (who can play) got 500mm centre side of Le Cras on the boundary (a terible mistake) and the under rated multiskilled goal sneak for the We Girls turned him inside out and goaled. I couldn't hang one and not the other. (Fact is I like Moore.) Kennedy, who is blue collar and plays high, beat Lace-out on the day IMO.

You are describing the same incident jd. Muscles for reasons known only to himself (and probably not even he knows) left Moore one on one with Le Cras and wandered into no mans land. IF nothing else it was very poor decision making.

 

[Big Cat Lover]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

Every premiership side needs it's hard nuts...... like a Rough Robbie ;D

Prefer my hard nuts in the Martin mould - lets aim a little higher than a rough robbie/dean wallis type

Geelong has the hard nut defender with skill that I would love McGuane to be - Milburn. Plenty of mongrel but a perfect third tall. I doubt McGuane he has the smarts or skills to be that player.

BTW, if whoever was on Kennedy it's a bit of a strecth to say he beat him - Kennedy had 17 disposals, 9 marks (3 contetsed) 2 goals and 4 goal assists. Not the worst day out in a side that was badly beaten.

 

[josey]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

Prefer my hard nuts in the Martin mould - lets aim a little higher than a rough robbie/dean wallis type

Geelong has the hard nut defender with skill that I would love McGuane to be - Milburn. Plenty of mongrel but a perfect third tall. I doubt McGuane he has the smarts or skills to be that player.

BTW, if whoever was on Kennedy it's a bit of a strecth to say he beat him - Kennedy had 17 disposals, 9 marks (3 contetsed) 2 goals and 4 goal assists. Not the worst day out in a side that was badly beaten.

Have to agree on Kennedy BCL. I thought he did ok.

An acceptable outcome if he was marked by Astbury but surely if he was marked by McGuane you would expect a better result.

Who did play the majority on time on Kennedy?

 

[ZeroGame]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

That play where he an Moore had Le CRas stone cold pressed up against the boundary and inexplicably Mcguane peeled off him, p!ssed me right orf.

Should've buried LeCras in front of the members but instead let him snap the goal.

You certainly have a point on that play, however, remember we don't play a spare man back in defence at any time. So if we had a 2 on 1, there was a good chance that they had a player free for LeCras to pass to. You'd like to be able to trust a team mate to complete the tackle and perhaps his mindset was to go back and cover his man.

 

[Mr Brightside]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

Surley anybody looking at the RFC v WC game on Sunday 13 of June would have said the kid in number 16 for Richmond played a good solid game, that is unless they have a preconcieved opinion of the lad

 

[TigerForce]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

Surley anybody looking at the RFC v WC game on Sunday 13 of June would have said the kid in number 16 for Richmond played a good solid game, that is unless they have a preconcieved opinion of the lad

Kid no but solid yes. Took some good grabs.

 

[Daigoro]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

hopeless with ball in hand, but so are players like Glass, Presti, etc. He is heading in their direction as a pure full back negator. Rarely beaten. If he is off them by 10% however, he becomes a liability. Plus can only afford one of them in the team.

One thing I don't understand is why at the kick ins he is the release guy in the back pocket. Worse possible bloke to be there. He should be in a dangerous spot long, or at least smack bang down the middle of the zone.