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Luke McGuane
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Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Deledio should be playing in the midfield, not hiding up back away from a tag. When Rawlings put a rocket up him in the 2nd half of 09 he played career best football and these type of numbers you mention were well up (especially contested ball, think he was 1st in the AFL in fact for 2nd of the year).
I remember in the Essendon game the other week, we were getting flogged then Deledio seemed to get moved into the midfield for a quarter and he turned the match for us setting up goal after goal. He got moved back and Essendon regained momentum. Let's hope DH moves him there permanently this week with Connors coming back to team up with Webberly, Newman, etc.
Quite funny actually. Wallace got canned by supporters when he didn't play Deledio in the midfield. Suddenly DH moves him out of there and it's a magnificent move. :
(Not defending TW either, just something I've noticed).
As for McGuane, well..people know my thoughts on him very well.
Tigers of Old said:
Deledio should be playing in the midfield, not hiding up back away from a tag. When Rawlings put a rocket up him in the 2nd half of 09 he played career best football and these type of numbers you mention were well up (especially contested ball, think he was 1st in the AFL in fact for 2nd of the year).
I remember in the Essendon game the other week, we were getting flogged then Deledio seemed to get moved into the midfield for a quarter and he turned the match for us setting up goal after goal. He got moved back and Essendon regained momentum. Let's hope DH moves him there permanently this week with Connors coming back to team up with Webberly, Newman, etc.
Quite funny actually. Wallace got canned by supporters when he didn't play Deledio in the midfield. Suddenly DH moves him out of there and it's a magnificent move. :
(Not defending TW either, just something I've noticed).As for McGuane, well..people know my thoughts on him very well.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Our back line is still a major Issue in many ways.
McGuane has heart, but lacks skills, especially by foot, he is fiercely competitive, but this often leads to him making silly mistakes giving away unnecessary frees which usually hurt us because they result in goals, or he turns it over going across goal.
Thirsty is a negative defender, who spoils well, and often has to punch above his weight, unfortunately he offers us very little else. He doesn't run off or set up play, whilst hes generally not bad by foot he rarely kicks down back, preferring to handball most times. He usually holds the ball up rather than move it on quickly which puts his team mates down the field under pressure as it gives opposition teams time to get back.
We need a few more guys like Lids back there who can run the lines and deliver it well. Lids still needs to work on his 1% and saw him several times on Friday jogging along behind a player rather than run hard and put pressure on the ball carrier.
These are some of the things we need to get out of our game to take another big step. Guys like Lids and bling need to really work on this.
Look at the run the St.Kilda and Geelong backs generate and they deliver it well to players up the ground which gives them confidence to run, because they know it wont come back over their head most of the time.
Our back line is still a major Issue in many ways.
McGuane has heart, but lacks skills, especially by foot, he is fiercely competitive, but this often leads to him making silly mistakes giving away unnecessary frees which usually hurt us because they result in goals, or he turns it over going across goal.
Thirsty is a negative defender, who spoils well, and often has to punch above his weight, unfortunately he offers us very little else. He doesn't run off or set up play, whilst hes generally not bad by foot he rarely kicks down back, preferring to handball most times. He usually holds the ball up rather than move it on quickly which puts his team mates down the field under pressure as it gives opposition teams time to get back.
We need a few more guys like Lids back there who can run the lines and deliver it well. Lids still needs to work on his 1% and saw him several times on Friday jogging along behind a player rather than run hard and put pressure on the ball carrier.
These are some of the things we need to get out of our game to take another big step. Guys like Lids and bling need to really work on this.
Look at the run the St.Kilda and Geelong backs generate and they deliver it well to players up the ground which gives them confidence to run, because they know it wont come back over their head most of the time.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/lyons-three-defensive-disciples/story-e6frf9jf-1225874207638
suggest not all saints defenders provide run.
gustiger12 said:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/lyons-three-defensive-disciples/story-e6frf9jf-1225874207638
suggest not all saints defenders provide run.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
I agree on this. I really don't quite understand why we're trying to turn our premier 1st draft pick, a guy who has speed to burn and a penetrating and accurate kick into a half back flanker. Maybe it is to avoid the tag, but the sooner he learns to deal with the tag the better.
Barnzy said:
I agree on this. I really don't quite understand why we're trying to turn our premier 1st draft pick, a guy who has speed to burn and a penetrating and accurate kick into a half back flanker. Maybe it is to avoid the tag, but the sooner he learns to deal with the tag the better.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Goddard is a good comparison given he plays a similar role. He almost doubles Deledio's numbers in this category.
Pleasingly though lids stacks up pretty well against BG in most other areas.
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=113&pid1=2003063&year1=2010&tid2=112&pid2=2005090&year2=2010
Football is a team based sport jimbob.
The '1%s' are just as important as anything else and this side of the game(including tackling) has never been Brett's strength, onball or otherwise.
Still has room for improvement.
tigertrue said:
Goddard is a good comparison given he plays a similar role. He almost doubles Deledio's numbers in this category.
Pleasingly though lids stacks up pretty well against BG in most other areas.
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=113&pid1=2003063&year1=2010&tid2=112&pid2=2005090&year2=2010
jb03 said:
Football is a team based sport jimbob.
The '1%s' are just as important as anything else and this side of the game(including tackling) has never been Brett's strength, onball or otherwise.
Still has room for improvement.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Goddard, a premier 1st draft pick, played exactly this role Fri night, as he has many times, and was best afield. Hodge a premier 1st draft pick plays the role superbly quite often. They also play other roles but I see nothing wrong with Deledio playing the role for a while. It's not like he can never go back to the midfield or forward, just as Goddard & Hodge do. I think supporters are a bit hung up on this issue. We know Deledio can play midfield, I like the idea of him having the flexibilty to go back or forward - it also gives a chance for others to rotate through the middle.
GoodOne said:
Goddard, a premier 1st draft pick, played exactly this role Fri night, as he has many times, and was best afield. Hodge a premier 1st draft pick plays the role superbly quite often. They also play other roles but I see nothing wrong with Deledio playing the role for a while. It's not like he can never go back to the midfield or forward, just as Goddard & Hodge do. I think supporters are a bit hung up on this issue. We know Deledio can play midfield, I like the idea of him having the flexibilty to go back or forward - it also gives a chance for others to rotate through the middle.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Flexibility is fine but teams like Hawthorn and Saints have had the luxury of being able to play a core set of quality midfielders to allow the likes of Goddard and Hodge to control their backlines. Deledio should be our premier midfielder and therefore should be playing in the midfield, where your best players should always be.
Big Cat Lover said:
Flexibility is fine but teams like Hawthorn and Saints have had the luxury of being able to play a core set of quality midfielders to allow the likes of Goddard and Hodge to control their backlines. Deledio should be our premier midfielder and therefore should be playing in the midfield, where your best players should always be.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
If ever there was a time for experimentation and development of players surely it is now?
I would think Goddard is arguably the saints second most important player - he can play back, forward and middle, all at elite levels. Trying to develop Deledio into this type has to be in the best interests of the side? We will have a midfield at least as good as the Saints & Hawks in the next 2-3 years (if not already), why not have a skilled versatile player to complement this? It doesn't mean he cannot go to the middle, I think it will enhance his development.
GoodOne said:
If ever there was a time for experimentation and development of players surely it is now?
I would think Goddard is arguably the saints second most important player - he can play back, forward and middle, all at elite levels. Trying to develop Deledio into this type has to be in the best interests of the side? We will have a midfield at least as good as the Saints & Hawks in the next 2-3 years (if not already), why not have a skilled versatile player to complement this? It doesn't mean he cannot go to the middle, I think it will enhance his development.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Deledio is no Goddard. I'm afraid Deledio will never be as hard as Goddard. Once Deledio learns to beat his tag then he might come somewhere close to Goddard. Deledio needs to be in the middle to be exposed to this, otherwise he is just going to become an above average half back flanker who wasn't given the opportunity to develop further. Do we want Deledio to look back on his playing career as an good, honest half back flanker, sometimes taking on taller opponents, in the mould of Joel Bowden or do we want him to be a quick, high possession winner, breaking the lines through the middle of the ground and pinpointing passes down the throat of our forwards, making the most of his excellent foot skills? He needs to be in the midfield with Cotchin and Martin. That's our long-term future midfield right there.
Big Cat Lover said:
Deledio is no Goddard. I'm afraid Deledio will never be as hard as Goddard. Once Deledio learns to beat his tag then he might come somewhere close to Goddard. Deledio needs to be in the middle to be exposed to this, otherwise he is just going to become an above average half back flanker who wasn't given the opportunity to develop further. Do we want Deledio to look back on his playing career as an good, honest half back flanker, sometimes taking on taller opponents, in the mould of Joel Bowden or do we want him to be a quick, high possession winner, breaking the lines through the middle of the ground and pinpointing passes down the throat of our forwards, making the most of his excellent foot skills? He needs to be in the midfield with Cotchin and Martin. That's our long-term future midfield right there.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Deledio is ahead of Goddard at the same age, no reason he can't be as good or better than he is now if you give him another 2 years that Goddard has had. Helps when you are surrounded by quality players and are winning games.
Deledio is ahead of Goddard at the same age, no reason he can't be as good or better than he is now if you give him another 2 years that Goddard has had. Helps when you are surrounded by quality players and are winning games.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Oh please do not mention Silvester. Him and Cartlidge, just to name a few, were recycled duds from the very beginning.
Back to Luke, anyone know if he will be picked for the West Coast game?
RICHO_12 said:
Oh please do not mention Silvester. Him and Cartlidge, just to name a few, were recycled duds from the very beginning.
Back to Luke, anyone know if he will be picked for the West Coast game?
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Who knows. A lot of possible selection changes this week given we almost have nearly a full list to choose from.
If Gourdis is elevated I can see him taking Thursfield's spot. He's been playing FB at Coburg and Thursfield can only play FB. McGuane plays CHB.
geoffryprettyboy said:
Who knows. A lot of possible selection changes this week given we almost have nearly a full list to choose from.
If Gourdis is elevated I can see him taking Thursfield's spot. He's been playing FB at Coburg and Thursfield can only play FB. McGuane plays CHB.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
That's a sh!thouse comment Scooper. Was probably still feeling the effects last Friday night.
SCOOP said:
That's a sh!thouse comment Scooper. Was probably still feeling the effects last Friday night.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Don't forget there is 007 - Moore, who may be selected as well.
I'm just lying back and soaking it in at the moment ;D, it doesn't bother me who's in or out because I've got my hopes on Hardwick's comments - "It's not about this year".
Barnzy said:
Don't forget there is 007 - Moore, who may be selected as well.
I'm just lying back and soaking it in at the moment ;D, it doesn't bother me who's in or out because I've got my hopes on Hardwick's comments - "It's not about this year".
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