Luke McGuane

[zippadeee]

Mick didn't play in the 1982 GF, which for many people is one of the key reasons we lost.

You might've forgot to mention that Tempany broke his arm 5 minutes in the 1st qtr...

 

[GoodOne]

Can't work it out, your not a fan of a bloke that busts packs & tackles like a hungry lion, but you rather have a bloke like grigg who runs on the spot all game, never mans up and his arms are painted on when it comes to tackling.

Grigg is a much more important to the Tigers than McGuane. lol at even making a comparison. And tackles like a lion...lol...Grigg has averaged 2.3 tackles a game in his career, McGuane 2.2. McGuane creates this sense of urgency but the reality is he's often aimlessly running around like a chook with his head chopped off.

 

[AngryAnt]

Mick didn't play in the 1982 GF, which for many people is one of the key reasons we lost.

Yeah bloody Sir Francis popped Mick's bung shoulder after the last training session on Thursday.

 

[Tango]

Can't work it out, your not a fan of a bloke that busts packs & tackles like a hungry lion, but you rather have a bloke like grigg who runs on the spot all game, never mans up and his arms are painted on when it comes to tackling.
Hardwick best positional change has been moving Carey forward. Now he can do the Same with griffo

Zipps
Im not a fan of Luke as a complete footballer as he has his limitations however i recognise that he is playing his part and contributing and until someone better comes along he will play.
As far as Grigg goes he plays his role also, you cant have all similar types and what Grigg gives you is a player free and ahead of the ball as a link man, he has has some limitations but plays his role in the team...

In a nutshell, some guys are good at getting it in tight, some are good at contested one on ones and some are good loose and forward of the ball, in a team you need a balance of all three unless you are blessed with the talent that combines all 3 in the one player (ie) cotchin and not many of these players are around...

we all note your dislike of Grigg but what he does he does well, maybe he is just not the sort of player that you like or your style but his type is needed in the squad and once again untill someone else comes along that does it better he will play like him or not

 

[cmarkidis]

T12 ye of little faith.

He moves and creates (not that he knows it) and this compared to A Edwards ?

I have a lot of faith, otherwise 2013 wouldn't be my 34th consecutive year as a member. I just don't believe players like McGuane (as much as he is a trier, no argument) will drive us up the ladder. He moves and creates because he probably confuses the opposition more than anything else, as I suspect he doesn't know which way he'll turn next, let alone his opponent. At no stage have I advocated A Edwards as an alternative, in fact, if it were a choice between the 2 I'd reluctantly settle for McGuane. In the interim, I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the match committee and back their decision. I think they will eventually see the light. Ideally, I'd like to see Grimes back in defence and Griffiths as the 3rd tall forward.

 

[pete and tys]

spot on.
this week, grimes in, ellis to stay and griff as sub, nahas out.
some one has to kick out, maybe batch.
ellis is a winger,not a back.
I am not sure newman is best there and would rather ellis took the wing.
no other changes.

 

[Tigerfan]

Grigg is a much more important to the Tigers than McGuane. lol at even making a comparison. And tackles like a lion...lol...Grigg has averaged 2.3 tackles a game in his career, McGuane 2.2. McGuane creates this sense of urgency but the reality is he's often aimlessly running around like a chook with his head chopped off.

Good one and Zippee

If Grigg gets a ball and passes to mcguane who goals and wins the game, who is the most important then?
It is a team game

 

[GoodOne]

Good one and Zippee

If Grigg gets a ball and passes to mcguane who goals and wins the game, who is the most important then?
It is a team game

DDT, I love a good hypothetical. What you say is true if winning a game somewhere sometime is the most important thing, however, when selection decisions have to be made, would you choose Cotchin or Aaron Edwards? All I am saying is I believe what Grigg can offer going forward is much more than what McGuane can and I think comparing the potential worth as a comparision is a bit of a mismatch. Just my opinion of course. Future history often proves an opinion right or wrong.

 

[TigerMasochist]

DDT, I love a good hypothetical. What you say is true if winning a game somewhere sometime is the most important thing, however, when selection decisions have to be made, would you choose Cotchin or Aaron Edwards?

So what value do you place then on the player who saves you a game that possibly sets up your entire season?

Any one who saw the game knows we'd stopped to a walk and Carlscum were running our arses off. Bootsma gets clean possession and they probably get to clear off for a coast to coast goal ( they'd have to kick straight at least once from all their attack ) with no time left to respond.
Can anyone imagine the pressure and feeling of inadequacy that would roll over the side ( let alone the fans ) knowing they had blown a seven goal lead and let the evil empire wipe them again.
Bloody ridiculous to compare a Cotchin to an Edwards or a McGuane. Why not be simply satisfied that a moderately talented player competed hard and achieved an excellent outcome for his team.

Salary cap allows teams to have a handfull of elite players a bunch of good players several hard working honest nuffers and some potential kids trying to develop into whatever they can be.
Good to excellent teams get the best they can possibly extract from as many players as they are possibly able. If Dimma gets honest hard working competition out of blokes like Jackson, McGuane, King, Nahas, White etc etc then they instantly relieve the pressure off the elite players and allow an even spread of work across a greater mass of players. Then we become a quality side, not by allowing half a dozen elite players to carry all of the load and expectation.

 

[GoodOne]

So what value do you place then on the player who saves you a game that possibly sets up your entire season?

Please! Let's not overplay the importance of the occassion. It was just 1 game of 22 and a loss, whilst difficult to deal with for a very short period of time, would and should not have defined our season. I mean on that basis maybe you could argue that percentage loss because of McGuane's missed goal and 2 frees against may mean we miss the finals based on percentage. Bit silly argument though isn't it?

Bloody ridiculous to compare a Cotchin to an Edwards or a McGuane. Why not be simply satisfied that a moderately talented player competed hard and achieved an excellent outcome for his team.

Agree it was bloody ridiculous and that's why I made the comparison, I took the extreme. Just as Zips compares Grigg to McGuane.

Salary cap allows teams to have a handfull of elite players a bunch of good players several hard working honest nuffers and some potential kids trying to develop into whatever they can be.
Good to excellent teams get the best they can possibly extract from as many players as they are possibly able. If Dimma gets honest hard working competition out of blokes like Jackson, McGuane, King, Nahas, White etc etc then they instantly relieve the pressure off the elite players and allow an even spread of work across a greater mass of players. Then we become a quality side, not by allowing half a dozen elite players to carry all of the load and expectation.

Again I agree with most of what you say. I just don't think you can win a premiership with all of the Jacksons, McGaunes, Kings, Nahass and Whites playing in the one team. If we can improve the skill level just a little for these types of depth players, that's when I think we'll be a genuine premiership chance.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Please! Let's not overplay the importance of the occassion. It was just 1 game of 22 and a loss, whilst difficult to deal with for a very short period of time, would and should not have defined our season. I mean on that basis maybe you could argue that percentage loss because of McGuane's missed goal and 2 frees against may mean we miss the finals based on percentage. Bit silly argument though isn't it?

Take a serious look at our last thirty years. Overplayed, *smile*. We've just spent three years gradually building a competitive team instead of prancing to thirty second hype and everyone knows it. To lose the game against another potential finals contender would have raised a moderate stir. To choke on a seven goal lead would have been disasterous.


Agree it was bloody ridiculous and that's why I made the comparison, I took the extreme. Just as Zips compares Grigg to McGuane.

Again I agree with most of what you say. I just don't think you can win a premiership with all of the Jacksons, McGaunes, Kings, Nahass and Whites playing in the one team. If we can improve the skill level just a little for these types of depth players, that's when I think we'll be a genuine premiership chance.

One minute we can't win a premiership with these blokes in the side yet in the next breath if we improve their skills just a little we're a chance. Geez! Make your mind up.
My opinion is that we can not only improve their skill a smidgin, but much more importantly improve their consistency of performance by placing them in their most suitable roles and obviously growing their match experience.
Tucky is a classic example of growing him in his best role and improving his deficiencies a bit. Kingy also, far more value as a defensive forward than a back pocket cannon.
Why not Luke? Not super skilled and sometimes awkward n clumsy. Competes bloody hard, crashes opponents, takes marks, can kick goals etc. Not a genuine key forward but no doubt he'll be able to play a handy foil behind the two key forwards. That's the task of the coaching dept. Find the best way to utilise the talent available to you.

 

[agincourt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAQhG59zqZc

This is one of the funniest things I have seen in ages.....and tell me the guy at 2.24 minutes isn't McGuane!!! lol

 

[tigergollywog]

Mick didn't play in the 1982 GF, which for many people is one of the key reasons we lost.

oh yeah, thats right. Oh well, 1st law of conspiracies ..... dont let facts stand in the way of a good theory.

 

[GoodOne]

One minute we can't win a premiership with these blokes in the side yet in the next breath if we improve their skills just a little we're a chance. Geez! Make your mind up.

THEIR skills won't improve. Players who are 26+ are not going to improve. Certainly not all of them. If we find players of the same ilk in terms of determination but with improved skill then we're a chance. And that's exactly what we've been targetting in the last couple of years. We will not win a premiership with all of those players mentioned in our side at the same time. Maybe one or two. Yes just my opinion.

 

[tigertim]

Good one and Zippee

If Grigg gets a ball and passes to mcguane who goals and wins the game, who is the most important then?

Cotch.

 

[tigs2010]

Cotch.

:hihi

 

[Tigerfan]

Good one, I reckon our side took away something additional to the 4 points for the game. We took away the confidence that we are now ABLE to defeat these bully-boy teams that whip us game after game. Beating the blues and saints could give enough self-belief to get us all the way to September in good shape.

 

[taztiger4]

Good one, I reckon our side took away something additional to the 4 points for the game. We took away the confidence that we are now ABLE to defeat these bully-boy teams that whip us game after game. Beating the blues and saints could give enough self-belief to get us all the way to September in good shape.

Agree, also think we will have the odd shock loss though, keep them to a minimum & September looms

 

[GoodOne]

Good one, I reckon our side took away something additional to the 4 points for the game. We took away the confidence that we are now ABLE to defeat these bully-boy teams that whip us game after game. Beating the blues and saints could give enough self-belief to get us all the way to September in good shape.

I think our self- belief grew immensely last year. We beat Saints last time we played them and lost by 5 points to Carlton in a match we arguably shoudl have won. No doubt winning round 1 for the first time in a long time helps. Personally I'm not counting Saints as an automatic win. They were terrible against Gold Coast and we won't want to take them too lightly.

 

[TigerFlag2017]

Re: The positive Luke McGuane thread

"What a tackle Luke McGuane"

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-03-28/round-1-last-minute-of-the-game

McGun....