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Liam McBean
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lamb22 said:
This is spot on. I can't recall which quarter but one give was so quick that the commentator gasped. This quick first option really releases teammates into space.
Can not wait to read this thread next week, can see 3 options
Option 1. Does not play and we will have another 20 pages like the last 20
Option 2. Plays and stars, results in 20 pages of I told you so
Option 3. Plays and flops, results in 20 pages of I told you so
Option 1. Does not play and we will have another 20 pages like the last 20
Option 2. Plays and stars, results in 20 pages of I told you so
Option 3. Plays and flops, results in 20 pages of I told you so
Only external pressure on Hardwick will make him change tack and in turn play someone like Beanie. Thankfully the footy media is finally starting to stir.
Hopefully Liam plays but I'm betting Dimmer will still back his failed plan a little bit longer.
Emergency probably to appease the Beanie hordes.
Hopefully Liam plays but I'm betting Dimmer will still back his failed plan a little bit longer.
Emergency probably to appease the Beanie hordes.
rosy3 said:
To be honest your argument is even more narrow. You appear to argue that you have to perform on particular occassions. You said Beanie was an emergency (apparently rewarding form) but he had to perform on a particular game subsequent to get a game.
Basically your argument is ludicrous. Form over a long period of time shows consistency and proven ability. Anyone can fluke a good game : eg Mcgrath kicking 5 once (like Griff). But if you show you can do it time and time again you show proven ability.
Anyone can fluke winning a tennis point but the stars are those that win points and games time and again. Ditto golf. Anyone can fluke a par or birdie but the champs do it time and time again.
Back to footy. We know what to expect when Jack and Rance turn up. They prove it time and time again. Does it mean they will have a good game. Not guaranteed but probabilities are they will.
Similarly we know Griff and Ty are likely to have ordinary games because that is what they have demonstrated time and time again. Do they have the odd good game . Sure but less likely than a good game.
Beanie has demonstrated proven goal kicking ability plus decision making plus ground skills plus foot skills plus great hands time and time again.
Recent form is relevant no doubt but proven ability shows what your ceiling as a player is and Beanie's is much higher than Griff's and Vickery's on exposed form.
That is why his acolytes scream/beg/pray for his inclusion mostly in vain.
The champs may well do it time and again. Liam isn't a champ and he doesn't play an individual sport as in your examples.. Certainly nowhere near what you've built him up to be at this stage. Most seem to think apart from a couple of good games that he hasn't progressed that much this year. You've even referred to him hanging his head and told us he's asked to be traded. (paraphrasing) There is no way I have said that current form is the only form to consider. I have no doubt it's more relevant than previous years just the same. Do you deny Liam would probably have had a better chance of selection the week after he was emergency if he'd had a really good game rather than a handfull of possessions?
rosy3 said:
Really? Seemed pretty obvious to me. What is your opinion on why McBean isn't being selected then?
To me (and others it seems) it reads that your argument is that McBean needs to perform in the reserves in the now (past performances are irrelevant) to earn a spot in the senior team.
My response to your argument was to show you a number of scenarios with other young players where that hasn't been the case.
thejinx said:
Not "if" you're wrong. You are wrong-FACT. I haven't said what you claim. I haven't said past performances are irrelevant either. I have no doubt this year's form would hold more sway than last years though. Going by the last year's form logic maybe Ty deserves to be in the seniors. He showed he was top 18 material last year. :blah
rosy3 said:
Cmon Rosy, you said EXACTLY that.
rosy3 said:
Why do you think McBean isn't getting selected then? You've been in this thread a lot and if your opinion isn't that its due to McBeans lack of current form, then I have no idea what you're trying to articulate.
rosy3 said:
True, but he's since proven he can't perform in the Seniors. We don't know that about McBean yet, he hasnt had a chance.
thejinx said:
That's news to me. Please show me a link so I can see the EXACT comment in context. I tried to search but it didn't show up.
I wouldn't have a clue why Liam isn't being selected. I wouldn't even pretend to have a clue why. Going by the VFL reports it's fair to assume there have been aspects of his game they've wanted him to work on and develop for starters though.
