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Liam McBean
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antman said:
Ive been reading it for some time but its just circle work..
I think every man and his dog agrees its well overdue for him to be given a shot...
All the rest is noise...
rosy3 said:
He's been more inconsistent this year than prior years from the 2 VFL games I have seen (and the reports of the rest).
This question about him not performing and demanding a game though is ridiculous. His VFL games have been far and away better than Vickery's AFL games. Just as we need to reward good form and not be seen to be rewarding less than good form, we absolutely need to ensure our senior blokes are accountable for dismal form and Vickery has been dismal. Just because blokes are not banging the door down for a game doesn't mean we should persist with a bloke playing dismally in the firsts. This is where you have regard to VFL form over a period of time to determine who comes in for the dismal performer.
BrisTiger24 said:
Bris, would you consider it more accurate if you replaced "dismal" with "abysmal"?
BrisTiger24 said:
I can't be be bothered with the Ty comparisons. Ty isnt the only senior player who could go back and Liam isn't the only VFL player who could come up. The club have been open about what they've required from Liam. I hope it holds him in good stead for the future. I remember Andy Kellaway doing a long reserves apprenticeship. It didn't hurt him. I hope Liam plays this week. I don't agree about not needing to demand a spot. Unfortunately he hasn't strung stand out games together when spots have been up for gtabs. An exsmple is his game after being named emergency. I am looking foreard to him coming in with a mature body and confidence to stay in.
The current form argument, doesn't fly, simply because the RFC isn't at the stage where only the best current reserves form warrants a senior selection (this would apply if our Senior team was competitive, which it isn't)
We should be all about working out what's best for our future- and I would be surprised if one could argue against McBean being selected for that reason. He has plenty of credits in the bank from previous years to warrant his selection.
Let's give him a go, he has proven that he has ability, lets see what he can do before his contract expires. At least we'll have a better understanding of what he can offer when we decide whether or not to extend his contract.
Regardless of all of this- and regardless of his reduced output this year, he has still kicked more than DOUBLE the amount of goals from anyone else in our reserves this year. Surely that must mean something?
We should be all about working out what's best for our future- and I would be surprised if one could argue against McBean being selected for that reason. He has plenty of credits in the bank from previous years to warrant his selection.
Let's give him a go, he has proven that he has ability, lets see what he can do before his contract expires. At least we'll have a better understanding of what he can offer when we decide whether or not to extend his contract.
Regardless of all of this- and regardless of his reduced output this year, he has still kicked more than DOUBLE the amount of goals from anyone else in our reserves this year. Surely that must mean something?
Also, to the supporters of the "current reserves form is the only factor to consider when promoting to senior squad" argument, can you please explain the following:
Markov not being promoted all year
Castagna not being promoted since being dropped, and being named in the bests last three weeks.
Marcon not being promoted all year even though he has been listed in the bests more than any other reserve player this year.
Menadue being promoted into the seniors Rd1 without any reserves form, and being promoted after not being listed in the bests in his last reserves game.
Rioli being promoted into the seniors Rd1 and earlier in the year, brought straight back into the senior squad after a short absence
Or maybe you can just admit you either 1. Know something about McBean that we don't, 2. Just don't like him for some unexplained reason or 3. Will blindly support Hardwick and the Match Committee in any decision they make.
Markov not being promoted all year
Castagna not being promoted since being dropped, and being named in the bests last three weeks.
Marcon not being promoted all year even though he has been listed in the bests more than any other reserve player this year.
Menadue being promoted into the seniors Rd1 without any reserves form, and being promoted after not being listed in the bests in his last reserves game.
Rioli being promoted into the seniors Rd1 and earlier in the year, brought straight back into the senior squad after a short absence
Or maybe you can just admit you either 1. Know something about McBean that we don't, 2. Just don't like him for some unexplained reason or 3. Will blindly support Hardwick and the Match Committee in any decision they make.
jb03 said:
Of course it does. He purpotedly wasn't selected last year because the players he was competing for a spot against were performing too well. To me it then is only fair when a player (Vickery) is performing so unbelievably bad for an extended period of time that McBean would have stored some credits and given the chance in his place. It simply doesn't make any sense whatsoever (no matter how the baffling McBean negative posters try to spin it). Whatever reasons have been given in the past, the positive performance of McBean on the weekend and the pathetic outbursts from Vickery at other players on the weekend should leave no option but to drop Vickery and select McBean for the next game. If he is not selected then Tiger supporters have every right to question Hardwick's motives.
rosy3 said:
You and a few others have been making this exact argument all season - when it comes to McBean's selection.
If you like I'm more than happy to grab a few quotes that have been along the lines of "McBean's current form doesn't warrant selection, his previous form is irrelevant"
Any hoo, looking forward to the Bean playing under the roof against a bloody good back half and seeing what he can do, actually surely ,avoiding disaster he plays the rest of the year?
thejinx said:
Have you not figured out that some would, regardless how stupid the selection and decision is. Case in point selecting
Chaplin to play as a forward. As if we did not have any young forwards to give a go.
