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Liam McBean

Serious question. I don't see Vickery who was drafted as a ruck playing in the ruck.
 
I would think he plays ruck in VFL by necessity most of the time. They simply have no other options most weeks he plays there.
 
On the weekend, his "tap" work at centre bounces was almost non existent. His clearance work and possessions from general play didn't have a huge impact setting up play or gaining good metres... mostly short handballs. If he's going to play ruck, then he has a long way to go. If he's going to play ruck/forward he's some of the way there. And as permanent forward he deserves ago, but I'm not sure if he's the great hope we're all wanting him to be.
 
Harry said:
Why is he playing in the ruck?
Because Maric and Soldo didn't play. It was either 4th-year Beanie or first-year Chol.
lamb22 said:
What a whole lot of herrings being regurgitated ATM.

We have 4 natural forwards at the club. Jack, Lloyd, Beanie and Lennon.

Natural forwards are gold. They are super efficient finishers, they read the ball better than others and react quicker when a goal is in the offering. They are skilled. They find the right space. They can kick freak goals. Beanie like Jack also can create. Lloyd and Lennon can too but are more selfish forwards (that's OK).

Lloyd, Beanie and Lennon all have areas to work on but that doesn't mean they don't play until weaknesses are fixed. You maximise the unique strengths and build the rest. If Lennon's workrate or pace end up being a liability then maybe he doesn't play. Similarly with Beanie, but if you don't try your best forwards it is unlikely you will reach your offensive potential.

Hardwick though will kill the goose while searching for the golden egg. He just really doesn't like or really understand an expansive game plan.
Lamb, I'm a Bean fan. I agree he should be playing. But his marking and running are not to the level you'd want.
 
So he was put in the ruck, by the coach, who then mentions he didnt hit the scoreboard as much as he normally does... ::)
 
Thought Beany was pretty good in the ruck, some nice taps to advantage

Unfortunately with Soldo still concussed, Maric rested for Friday & our VFL ruckman Anthony Forota most probably playing at his home club on Saturday, perfect storm so Beany had to do it
 
poppa x said:
Bean would smash TV in a rucking contest.
I actually think he would too. TV's rucking has become a lot worse than I recall it being in his earlier years.
 
spook said:
Because Maric and Soldo didn't play. It was either 4th-year Beanie or first-year Chol. Lamb, I'm a Bean fan. I agree he should be playing. But his marking and running are not to the level you'd want.
Vickery is not exactly going great guns marking or running but he gets a game week in week out. The Beans face just doesn't fit in Dimma's eyes
 
Coburgtiger said:
Interestingly positive review of Beanie's game.

Possibility if Hampson doesn't come up this week?

No chance. Maric sat out the VFL in case he was needed to sub in for Hampson.

McBean's chance was when Griff or Vickery missed a game and he didn't get a look in last weekend
 
Harry said:
Serious question. I don't see Vickery who was drafted as a ruck playing in the ruck.

Do we ever play players in the position they are drafted as?
 
issues with Liam having a run in the ruck and getting a bit of the ball. The previous week you could count his possessions on one hand. He only had one hit out (and 1 goal) so most likely wasn't rucking that week. No matter what excuses are made for him that's not a good situation. It seems we complain when nothing is tried and we complain when different things are tried. Whatever it is Liam isn't performing to a fraction of the standards he's built up to be and he hasn't shown marked improvement this year.
 
rosy23 said:
issues with Liam having a run in the ruck and getting a bit of the ball. The previous week you could count his possessions on one hand. He only had one hit out (and 1 goal) so most likely wasn't rucking that week. No matter what excuses are made for him that's not a good situation. It seems we complain when nothing is tried and we complain when different things are tried. Whatever it is Liam isn't performing to a fraction of the standards he's built up to be and he hasn't shown marked improvement this year.

That's handbrake's fault Rosie :hihi
 
rosy23 said:
issues with Liam having a run in the ruck and getting a bit of the ball. The previous week you could count his possessions on one hand. He only had one hit out (and 1 goal) so most likely wasn't rucking that week. No matter what excuses are made for him that's not a good situation. It seems we complain when nothing is tried and we complain when different things are tried. Whatever it is Liam isn't performing to a fraction of the standards he's built up to be and he hasn't shown marked improvement this year.

If that is the case, then he would be an even better "do nothing" player than Vickery at the moment. He would do
an even better job for our team structure by doing less than nothing. Seriously people, this argument has gone
beyond a joke. Anyone with any genuine understanding of the game and particularly our VFL team, must admit
that our VFL side is rubbish. Worse for a forward. We could have the likes of Lockett, Dunstall, Ablett Snr,..etc in the
team and they would watching the shambles they have in front of them - both quality and game style.

We have a forward in the AFL team who is a genuine liability. In the Swans and Suns games, they could not get him
off the ground quick enough. He was on the bench when we played our best footy and when the game was on the line.
Being a "servicable" against sides he should be monstering - if there is such a word, is not good enough.
 
UntamedTiger said:
If that is the case, then he would be an even better "do nothing" player than Vickery at the moment. He would do
an even better job for our team structure by doing less than nothing. Seriously people, this argument has gone
beyond a joke.

Agree bigtime aboit it being a joke. About time some could discuss Liam's performances on what he actually does or doesn't do. Ty has no effect on Liam's form.
 
rosy23 said:
Ty has no effect on Liam's form.

Except that Ty is a player who gets <10 possessions every week as opposed Beanie's one game. I don't see you on the Vickery thread commenting on his games.

However much you'd like to separate the Vickery and McBean selection, the fact is Beanie has more upside and Vickery has gone backwards at a rate of knots.

Which of the two do you think has worked harder over the past month?