Liam McBean

[Tigerfan]

I thought they were passable for a 200cm tall in his first and second AFL games. Wish we'd seen more of him at AFL level to be able to form a greater opinion of his ability to handle the level.

Well... Something has to be said on McBean.

If he's good enough to play then the match committee have a problem.
Why aren't they playing him?

If he's not good enough to play then recruiting or player development have a problem.
Why isn't he good enough?
Was he ever good enough?
Should he have been recruited?

 

[Merveille]

FWIW, comparison of first and second AFL games for Griffiths, Vickery and McBean:

Griffiths - 5 disposals 0 goals, 3 disposals 0 goals
Vickery - 8 disposals 1 goal, 3 disposals 0 goals
McBean - 7 disposals 0 goals, 9 disposals 0 goals (subbed in 3rd QTR of both games)

Slam dunk on that one

 

[Coburgtiger]

FWIW, comparison of first and second AFL games for Griffiths, Vickery and McBean:

Griffiths - 5 disposals 0 goals, 3 disposals 0 goals
Vickery - 8 disposals 1 goal, 3 disposals 0 goals
McBean - 7 disposals 0 goals, 9 disposals 0 goals (subbed in 3rd QTR of both games)

Says a lot about the misled who deride his senior performance, when it was actually 6 quarters of decent football.

 

[Baron Samedi]

Yep, I don't get the folks going out of their way to criticise.

McBean's non-selection is indefensible and a waste of talent.

 

[Harry]

Some are going hard on the kid. He's been harshly dealt with by the coaching and selection team, now by some of the supporters.

 

[Rosy]

Says a lot about the misled who deride his senior performance, when it was actually 6 quarters of decent football.

How are people 'misled'? In a system where 5 coaches can give votes to every player Liam didn't get a single vote. I don't think it would be a planned thing. I'd say he wasn't doing what was required of him. I'd say that is also the reason he was subbed off. Logic says he'd still be on the ground if he was giving what was wanted.

Yep, I don't get the folks going out of their way to criticise.

McBean's non-selection is indefensible and a waste of talent.

Who is going out of their way to criticise? I think most are discussing what they see as reality. More a counter to those who've built him up to be the best thing since sliced bread. I haven't seen Lamby's stats for a while. Do you think Liam has improved this year?

Some are going hard on the kid. He's been harshly dealt with by the coaching and selection team, now by some of the supporters.

I don't think they're going particularly hard on the kid. They are discussing him as they do every other player. Problem is Liam has been built up by some to be superior to a lot of other players but those who've watched him don't necessarily back that up.

Most of us here would love to see Liam selected to play seniors. I'd like to see it because of consistent good form himself rather than because we don't rate other players.

 

[Tigers of Old]

I don't think they're going particularly hard on the kid. They are discussing him as they do every other player. Problem is Liam has been built up by some to be superior to a lot of other players but those who've watched him don't necessarily back that up.

There's no doubt a lot of truth to this rosy.
The 'McJesus' deity jokes that started McBean's ascent towards cult status morphed somewhere along the way into a burred reality.

However purely from my obs is that Liam is a young 202cm tall with some strengths and some weaknesses.
Putting the form of others aside, he's had a moderate season to date which has hardly demanded selection.
On occasions in the past he's been stiff not to get selected but not so much in 2016.

Many of us who've watched him at VFL level continue to bemoan many of the same issues that the coaching staff have outlined. They've been well documented before.
That said I'm not entirely convinced on Hardwick's ability to judge a footballer so some questions remain for me on Liam's development.
It's easy to forget he's only 21 years old. He's got some talent for sure, be good to see him able to develop into an AFL player and apply his skills.
Have to see what unfolds for him. I've got my doubts that he'll make it though.

 

[Cotchin_4_brownlow]

Says a lot about the misled who deride his senior performance, when it was actually 6 quarters of decent football.

So decent were those performances that he managed to get subbed out in both of them.

 

[Baron Samedi]

There's no doubt a lot of truth to this rosy.
The 'McJesus' deity jokes that started McBean's ascent towards cult status morphed somewhere along the way into a burred reality.

However purely from my obs is that Liam is a young 202cm tall with some strengths and some weaknesses.
Putting the form of others aside, he's had a moderate season to date which has hardly demanded selection.
On occasions in the past he's been stiff not to get selected but not so much in 2016.

Many of us who've watched him at VFL level continue to bemoan many of the same issues that the coaching staff have outlined. They've been well documented before.
That said I'm not entirely convinced on Hardwick's ability to judge a footballer so some questions remain for me on Liam's development.
It's easy to forget he's only 21 years old. He's got some talent for sure, be good to see him able to develop into an AFL player and apply his skills.
Have to see what unfolds for him. I've got my doubts that he'll make it though.

Couldn't get a less favourable environment to develop in ToO.

In a very weak VFL team playing the Richmond Way.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Couldn't get a less favourable environment to develop in ToO.

In a very weak VFL team playing the Richmond Way.

Cream always rises Carts.

 

[Coburgtiger]

How are people 'misled'? In a system where 5 coaches can give votes to every player Liam didn't get a single vote. I don't think it would be a planned thing. I'd say he wasn't doing what was required of him. I'd say that is also the reason he was subbed off. Logic says he'd still be on the ground if he was giving what was wanted.

Not getting coaches votes, and being subbed off by the coach is the same subjective and flawed viewpoint as the coach who is not selecting him when he should be selected.
It doesn't make any logical sense to use the coaches opinion to refute the idea that the coaches opinion is wrong.
He had objectively decent games for a 204 cm kid in his first six quarters of AFL. Better than many many successful and talented talls have in their first games (think jono Brown).

Of course, he didn't get enough defensive fifty tackles, it kick sideways and backwards, or lead into the pockets, so no votes, subbed off, and dropped for two years.

 

[Rosy]

There are coaching and selection panels not a singular coach. I am sure they didn't have a pact not to give one player a single vote between them.

 

[Baron Samedi]

Cream always rises Carts.

That's true, and that's my point about McBean at the highest level.

If Mcbean is smart enough to win the Frosty at VFL level, what else does he need to do?

Would be awesome alongside Jack and with the likes of Dusty up the field.

Dimma is too pig-headed to see it.

 

[tigerlove]

I wouldn't have a clue if he was going to be picked or not, and I doubt you would either, but the best way to respond to not being picked is to dominate the following week. Better than polishing encouragement awards to put on display.

Yeah I knew he wasn't going to be picked and guess what he wasn't. True the best way to respond is to dominate the following week. But that's pretty difficult in a rubbish VFL team playing as a full forward. Yet certain players are picked week after week even though not performing to any satisfactory level whatsoever. All people are asking for is everyone to be treated equally and it's clear from team selections over the last couple of years that McBean has not. And that is why this is being discussed so strongly by many many supporters.

 

[Tigers of Old]

That's true, and that's my point about McBean at the highest level.

If Mcbean is smart enough to win the Frosty at VFL level, what else does he need to do?

Would be awesome alongside Jack and with the likes of Dusty up the field.

Dimma is too pig-headed to see it.

Perhaps but remain to be convinced. I've said many times I'd like to find out.

 

[tigerlove]

Liam's senior games weren't that crash hot. I'd rather him selected on his own good form.

Had more disposals in one of those games than 8 of Vickery's games this year. In the other he only played 60 minutes game time yet stil managed 7 disposals. For his first 2 games he was promising but surely you can't expect him to dominate as a 2 gamer? In Vickery's first two games he had 8 and 3 disposals respectively yet he was given a run of another 7 games after that.

 

[Baron Samedi]

Yeah I knew he wasn't going to be picked and guess what he wasn't. True the best way to respond is to dominate the following week. But that's pretty difficult in a rubbish VFL team playing as a full forward. Yet certain players are picked week after week even though not performing to any satisfactory level whatsoever. All people are asking for is everyone to be treated equally and it's clear from team selections over the last couple of years that McBean has not. And that is why this is being discussed so strongly by many many supporters.

Bang.

Everybody keeps saying he needs to go back and "dominate".

An inside mid can rack em up, even in a rubbish side.

Miles did this when he was dropped and killed it for a rare VFL win.

Lo and behold, McBean was the beneficiary of those centre clearances.

Old Handbrake has many on here fooled.

 

[Baron Samedi]

Liam's senior games weren't that crash hot. I'd rather him selected on his own good form.

Have you taken into account he was - and still is - a baby for his height range?

That he was on debut?

That he actually played his role very well, particularly against Collingwood?

 

[tigerlove]

Had more disposals in one of those games than 8 of Vickery's games this year. In the other he only played 60 minutes game time yet stil managed 7 disposals. For his first 2 games he was promising but surely you can't expect him to dominate as a 2 gamer? In Vickery's first two games he had 8 and 3 disposals respectively yet he was given a run of another 7 games after that.

What I also liked, in his 2nd game in 70 mins of game time he managed 5 contested possessions which is more per average game time than all but 3 of Vickery's 13 games this year.

 

[Harry]

"All we are saying...........is give Bean a chance"