Liam McBean

[Rosy]

Yep. What about the rest of the post?

Sorry I didn't realise you expected a response to it all.

I'm as big a Vickery supporter as there is. But even I have to admit that he's been poor the last three weeks.

He snagged a few against the essendon 3rds, third best defender. Which is good, he more or less did his job.

If he did his job it seems strange for him to be the sensible option to drop. Ty's stats were similar to Liam's with 3 goals thrown in and against superior opposition.

To me, Beanie not only presented better, kicked better, and created more, he actually played a better big man game.
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I can't comment much on that. Others who saw Liam indicate he was improved but still didn't really stand out for elevation. I don't think he got votes and he wasn't named in the best players.

He would have had more marks, and more contested marks. Granted, Vickery kicked more goals, but the opposite story has been true many weeks this year, so that's clearly not the indicator.

Very similar actually. Maybe a couple more marks and one more contested mark at a lower level of football. I agree goals aren't the indicator. I've posted examples of other things the club obviously want of Liam. It's good to read the club acknowledge his efforts. It shows they don't have some vendetta against him and they call it as they see it.

Watching them both, it seemed that Beanie could offer a bit more at the moment. And Vickery could probably do with a bit of practice to sort out his game in the 2s.

FWIW, my solution to this would be to play Griffiths as first ruck, Vickery as second, and Hampson out. Beanie comes in as a forward. But apparently we're never going to try that.

That doesn't quite make sense to me when you think Ty is the sensible option to drop yet you'd still play him.

Again apologies for not responding in more depth earlier. I'm pretty much limited to my mobile phone at the moment and I find it hard going.

 

[Rosy]

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But it was interesting standing right there watching McBean for a couple of hours, then walking across the park and watching Vickery for a couple of hours.

To me, Beanie not only presented better, kicked better, and created more, he actually played a better big man game.

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I've checked the VFL stats now. I don't think for one second stats are the be all and end all but seeing you've quoted them to make a case for Liam I'll do a comparison.

Exhibit AFL-

13 possessions (6 contested)
76.9 effectiveness
8 marks (3 contested)
3 goals

Exhibit VFL

15 possessions
approx 40-45% effectiveness*
10 marks (2 contested)
1 behind

I don't see how you can make a case for Ty to be dropped for Liam based on stats, especially considering the very depleted VFL Essendon team.

*Maths isn't my strong point 6 eff kicks, 5 ineff kicks, 3 eff hb, 1 ineff hb

 

[Baron Samedi]

How about we replace Vickery with McBean because he's a better player?

 

[Baloo]

Funny how it was his most convincing effort of the season and the club credited him with it..

It's a conspiracy just to quiet down the fans

 

[AngryAnt]

It's a conspiracy just to quiet down the fans

Yep. They've realised outright lies and denial is not working any more so they are dialling up the faint praise.

Some masters of spin down at Punt Road these days.

 

[Harry]

We'll see whether the praise will be reflected on the selection table. Should change his name to McVickery and where a curly wig to training.

 

[Harry]

Or McGriffens and wear a helmet to training. Or McChaplin and bring a stop sign to training.

 

[tigersnake]

I've checked the VFL stats now. I don't think for one second stats are the be all and end all but seeing you've quoted them to make a case for Liam I'll do a comparison.

Exhibit AFL-

13 possessions (6 contested)
76.9 effectiveness
8 marks (3 contested)
3 goals

Exhibit VFL

15 possessions
approx 40-45% effectiveness*
10 marks (2 contested)
1 behind

I don't see how you can make a case for Ty to be dropped for Liam based on stats, especially considering the very depleted VFL Essendon team.

*Maths isn't my strong point 6 eff kicks, 5 ineff kicks, 3 eff hb, 1 ineff hb

hmmm, seems like an open and shut case rosy. At least on the short term Beanie in for Ty debate.

 

[Leysy Days]

How did the numbers compare in there previous match Rosy?

 

[Rosy]

How did the numbers compare in there previous match Rosy?

I wouldn't have a clue and I don't think it means that much. For some reason coburg wanted me to respond to his posting this week so I did.

 

[Tigers of Old]

I'd love to see him picked but I am in no way confident he will be whilst Hardwick still thinks we can make finals.

 

[tigerlove]

Funny how it was his most convincing effort of the season and the club credited him with it..

Didn't you just say before you saw 3/4ers of the game and he was just ok and didn't have much influence in the game? As for most convnicnign game, I thought his 5 goal 18 disposal game against Collingwood was his most convincing effort for the season. Any how McBean's surely out of here, now that Vickery will get selected for the next 5 games as a reward for performing above his average against an Essendon lineup devoid of key bakcmen.

 

[lamb22]

How did the numbers compare in there previous match Rosy?

Stats don't matter Leysey, if YOU cherry pick them.

PS Beanie 4 goals 2. Vickery 2 possessions two clangers.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Didn't you just say before you saw 3/4ers of the game and he was just ok and didn't have much influence in the game? As for most convnicnign game, I thought his 5 goal 18 disposal game against Collingwood was his most convincing effort for the season. Any how McBean's surely out of here, now that Vickery will get selected for the next 5 games as a reward for performing above his average against an Essendon lineup devoid of key bakcmen.

It's not just about the goals. Its more to do with how he attacked the ball & his effectiveness at the contest.
He didn't have a big impact on the result but he did attack the pill hard particularly in the air. As Coburg said a lot of this was up the ground.
Considering I have been so critical of this in the past it was very pleasing.

 

[Sintiger]

Lol need to back it up eh?

yep he does

If you check the posts of a lot of people here that's what has been consistently been said. Don't do it once, do it all the time.

Very happy to hear that he played well on saturday and I look forward to him pushing for selection with repeat performances. I have always said I rate his ability very highly but it seems to me that with some it is ok to bag Vickery when he doesn't work hard enough but somehow not ok to bag McBean for the same thing.

This kid has loads of ability and I really hope he works his butt off because if he does he will get his chance.

 

[Coburgtiger]

I've checked the VFL stats now. I don't think for one second stats are the be all and end all but seeing you've quoted them to make a case for Liam I'll do a comparison.

Exhibit AFL-

13 possessions (6 contested)
76.9 effectiveness
8 marks (3 contested)
3 goals

Exhibit VFL

15 possessions
approx 40-45% effectiveness*
10 marks (2 contested)
1 behind

I don't see how you can make a case for Ty to be dropped for Liam based on stats, especially considering the very depleted VFL Essendon team.

*Maths isn't my strong point 6 eff kicks, 5 ineff kicks, 3 eff hb, 1 ineff hb

Thanks for the reply, Rosy.

I agree the stats don't show a lot. Particularly for one game.

FWIW, I still think there's a place for Ty in the side.

But while we insist on keeping Hampson as first ruck, I think it's only fair to reward Beanie for years of good form, and now that he's done what the coaches have asked of him, he should come in. I honestly think we would be better off with Beanie in instead of Vickery at the moment, based on a very poor month from Ty, and watching them both play on Saturday.

 

[lamb22]

These RFC guys are hilarious

Liam McBean
16 disposals, 10 marks, four contested marks, three inside 50s

Had a different role to what he usually has. Played a little bit higher up the ground, and was able to take 10 marks, which was really pleasing. He took the ball out in front with his hands, and played like a big man, but unfortunately he wasn’t able to hit the scoreboard for us.

Meanwhile Elton and C Moore who couldn't hit the side of a barn play deep forward and apparently the experiment will continue.

Once Beanie has been fully incorporated into the Borg and been totally vannilarised he'll get a game.

 

[Barnzy]

"And played like a big man"...so condescending. Hasn't his contested mark numbers been high all season? Just more proof of the little snipes he gets in these hilarious VFL reports.

 

[lamb22]

"And played like a big man"...so condescending. Hasn't his contested mark numbers been high all season? Just more proof of the little snipes he gets in these hilarious VFL reports.

Yep.

 

[taztiger4]

Yep.

either of you 2 see the game on Saturday ?