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Liam McBean
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I had a look for 3/4s. Liam was ok. Took a couple of strong contested marks and tried hard. Didn't have a big influence on the match though.
Sensible, rational talk not needed around here please. Mcbean has to bag a dozen of high quality goals taking at least 8 hangers before he is ready to slot back into the AFL side for half a game.yandb said:
Tigers of Old said:
Tenacious said:
I'm just not sure what else Beanie can do. He would have had a big influence on the game if his team mates could use the ball. He set up four or five goal scoring opportunities (of which only one day capitalised on). He took a stack of marks, which is apparently all that matters. He contested in the air, and got to a heap of contests.
Isn't that what he was supposed to be working on?
I suppose he could go back to kicking a lot of goals at full forward, but then he would be not running up the ground enough taking contested marks.
His ball use and creativity was sublime, and he was doing all that boring running and contesting rubbish too.
I just don't know what the expectation is for him. He could come in right now and be more useful than Hampson, Vickery, or Hunt. Vickery would be the sensible option.
No matter what happens in the senior team I'd like too see him get a month of footy before the seasons out, has talent
Coburgtiger said:
How would that be sensible? Do you think a player in the senior team who kicked 3 goals and had 8 marks (3 contested), 13 disposals (6 contested) and provides ruck back-up if needed should be dropped? Those stats are better than what Liam has been getting in the VFL a lot of weeks yet people want him promoted on that. I can't see Ty being dumped next week and I don't think he should be.
rosy23 said:
How are Ty's stats relevant this week if they weren't last week?
Seriously though, I wouldn't be using anyone's stats against a team as poor as Essendon as some sort of yardstick. Especially when they don't tell the story of how underwhelming his game was.
But whatever, it's getting boring.
rosy23 said:
Yes I do. Learning to work for a living would be the making of Tyrone Vickery. The VFL is where that should happen - for the message it would send to him, as well as to the other bludgers on our list.
Are you happy with the way he goes about his football at the moment?
Of course it won't happen.
Oh, and 'current form' is one week against arguably the weakest team in the league? Ok.
rosy23 said:
I'm as big a Vickery supporter as there is. But even I have to admit that he's been poor the last three weeks.
He snagged a few against the essendon 3rds, third best defender. Which is good, he more or less did his job.
But it was interesting standing right there watching McBean for a couple of hours, then walking across the park and watching Vickery for a couple of hours.
To me, Beanie not only presented better, kicked better, and created more, he actually played a better big man game.
He would have had more marks, and more contested marks. Granted, Vickery kicked more goals, but the opposite story has been true many weeks this year, so that's clearly not the indicator.
Watching them both, it seemed that Beanie could offer a bit more at the moment. And Vickery could probably do with a bit of practice to sort out his game in the 2s.
FWIW, my solution to this would be to play Griffiths as first ruck, Vickery as second, and Hampson out. Beanie comes in as a forward. But apparently we're never going to try that.
rosy23 said:
Think we see things very differently - imo North having a very good backline is precisely why Ty would be even more of a liability next week.
I've posted before that I think his problem is that he's just not a natural forward. Yeah he gets his 2 goals a game by hanging around in the forward line and letting the law of averages do the rest, but this is nullified by his lack of pressure, his unpredictability to our ball carriers, and his habit of getting in the way of our other forwards.
Good backlines love players like Ty, because of the chaos he brings to an otherwise organised offensive structure, and because he's not that interested once the ball starts moving back the other way.
And as long as he keeps getting games in the seniors, what incentive does he have to fix these huge deficiencies in his game?
Anyway, my preference is to have a tall, highly skilled, natural forward in against North to complement Jack, Sam, Brett, Daniel and Ben. Liam fits the bill. He can do everything Ty can, without the compromises Ty brings with the way he's playing right now.
But yeah, not gonna happen unfortunately.
Maybe I'm tough on Ty, but I thought he got on the end of a few others good work. He created a good goal in the square himself, but thought the other 2 he was just in the right spot at the right time.
My wife asked last night "why the guy with the funny hair" is allowed to stay on the field when he "he never sprints like the others, he just jogs" and "if you went and played footy, you should ask to play the same spot, then you don't have to run too much."
I was OK with her giving Ty a clip, but I wasn't expecting that backhander.
My wife asked last night "why the guy with the funny hair" is allowed to stay on the field when he "he never sprints like the others, he just jogs" and "if you went and played footy, you should ask to play the same spot, then you don't have to run too much."
I was OK with her giving Ty a clip, but I wasn't expecting that backhander.
