You do know that Chaplin has played one game in the forward line this year don't you ?Harry said:
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Liam McBean
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rosy23 said:
His 2016 form has already been superior to that of some other players given an opportunity before him this year. (And I've been to the games and watched him, for whatever that's worth).
If they deserved a chance in the seniors, it's hard to argue that he doesn't.
Im curious - what are these "other embellishments that have been raised as fact" that you mention?
No. His point is to exaggerate everything with hyperbole.tigertim said:
It was a mistake to play Chaplin forward but it happened once and hasn't happened again so don't exaggerate it.
McBean is not playing vfl because of Chaplin
Sintiger said:
Chaplin played at least 2 games in preseason (I thought 3, but could be wrong) as a key forward. He then played one in the regular season. It didn't happen just once. He failed twice in the preseason (where it's OK to try new stuff out) but then they repeated it. Harry didn't exaggerate.
rosy23 said:
Rosy, while you try not to say it, it is really clear that you place no value on Liam's potential and the factors holding him back from even having a chance to reach them. I think the underlined part of your post actually plays into Lamb's mentioning the really consistently high level of performances (see, goal kicking for a forward) in the VFL.
While I it is likely you will disagree, doesn't what you say directly show that Liam is ready to play AFL and, if given a fair shot at it, the chance to cement his spot in the team? If he does, we have a winner and if he doesn't then at least we will actually know, and he can be informed that he won't be required at the club next year.
With the bold text, do you have any idea what is being asked of Liam? I reckon this would be really interesting to know and it, if made clear, would quickly cease comment from one side of the 'play Liam' debate.
lamb22 said:
Seems you're telling the story lamby. I certainly didn't claim that. Of course it's relevant but there's more to making it in the AFL than being a high VFL goal scorer. The fact you keep referring to a bunch of games from last season to make a point it seems there's not a real lot to hang your hat on based on this season's form. With an extra year's maturity and an extra pre-season under his belt wouldn't it be reasonable to think/hope Liam would have made significant improvement? If not why not? Has he shown significant improvement in his games this year?
Also you didn't answer how you came about the claims about Liam's terrific decision making and ball use around the ground. You said you haven't seen him play much this year and none of the reports indicate that's the case.
Rosy, maybe the match committee and naysayers on this thread, take heed of your footer.
"Fortune favours the brave". Come on Tige's be BRAVE. He certainly will not be as bad as Ty.
"Fortune favours the brave". Come on Tige's be BRAVE. He certainly will not be as bad as Ty.
rosy23 said:
I refer to the consistency in each year he has played not only the last 10 - 20 games. In response to posters saying he needs to back it up, I point out he has kicked 4 goals or more in 7 out of his last 14 games, very relevant on the issue of backing it up, I would have thought.
He is presently third in the VFL goal kicking despite playing one game less than the leader because of the bye and playing in a crap side.
I didn't think I was asked about Liam's terrific decision making and ball use around the ground but most of the people you are arguing with have seen Beanie play extensively live, including me. His decision making and ball use have never been an issue and it is not something even the RFC bring up. I think even his coaches will say he is strong in these areas.
Probably not wise to fish without bait.
K3 said:
Putting words in my mouth much K3? That's absolute crap. It's the fact I DO think Liam has good potential that I want him to show good and consistent VFL form. What are Lamb's consistently high level of performance measures you refer to. Goal kicking yes...nobody denies that. It would be nice if Laim had more strings to his bow on a consistent basis though.
To me claiming he needs a game because others' AFL form is worse than his VFL form is rubbish. They are much of a muchness except at different levels. Some of the posts remind me of the politically correct practice of giving all kids in a race a ribbon. I believe if rewards are to be given they should be earned not gifted.
I am happy for Liam to be selected based on his own situation and his perceived role in the team. I don't think he's really screamed out for selection this year though unfortunately. I'd love to see him play this week.
K3 said:
No it doesn't directly show that at all. Do you think Liam should be selected based on outstanding form or because he's been around a long time and hasn't had much of a crack at senior level?
K3 said:
I've already said I base my opinions on reports from the coach, reports from PREnders and stats.
What exactly are the sides of the "'play Liam' debate"? I wouldn't have a clue what you mean. The comment is akin to scooper claiming there's a Liam bash fest happening (paraphrasing a bit)
It's a bit hard on my phone but I'll go through the reports I am referring to in a few minutes.
lamb22 said:
You were asked here
I am not arguing with anyone. Most of the reports I've read from those at the games this year (taz, ryan, ToO etc) tend to support the impression I get. How many games have you seen Liam play live this year? I recall a while ago you said you hadn't seen any.
I'm not fishing in any way shape or form. I take the fact Liam kicks a lot of goals on board. I don't think that is necessarily the main criteria for making it in the big time though. Maybe it is and maybe it's not but he doesn't have a lot of other ticks on the board on a consistent basis.
Do you think he has improved this year? It's not long ago you indicated he'd given up the ghost. (can't be bothered looking up exact words)
