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Liam McBean
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rosy23 said:
I don't know if it is so much about bring other players down as much as a belief that McBean would offer more to the team than Vickery. It is a bit like the back six last year, it didn't matter how well players were doing their roles in the VFL, they just couldn't break into that group. I am sure if our forwards were doing a similar job Vickery wouldn't be brought up, as Griffiths has been as well, as someone to be replaced up there. Unfortunately Ty has been a pretty weak link in the forward line, and is currently offering little. So, the suggestion is to see what Liam can do, ideally for one of our four week blocks, while Vickery gets some form and confidence in the VFL.
IMO there are benefits to both players (Liam gets a shot to show what he can do in the 1s while Ty can work through this slump where it doesn't matter as much) as well as the club (knowing if Liam should be kept, delisted or traded).
The way I see it, something must be seriously wrong with either the way McBean is playing the game or the coaching staff have decided he has little to offer the AFL team.
I would have thought he was worth a gamble by swapping places with Vickery for a few games and seeing what he has to offer, but it seems the Club views/assesses it differently.
I would have thought he was worth a gamble by swapping places with Vickery for a few games and seeing what he has to offer, but it seems the Club views/assesses it differently.
I am as bewildered as anyone as to why Liam isn't given a crack, especially in the pre season games. No doubt the club are pretty transparent about what is required of him. They tell us in the weekly reports. Unfortunately those who actually go to watch the VFL and see him in action tend to support the coaches assessment more often than not.
When did that happen Scoop? I don't recall him getting a PRE serve when he kicked 4. Must have missed itSCOOP said:
rosy23 said:
You'd think kicking goals would play a pretty big part in determining the performance of a forward!
Well for anyone but McBean that is.
Because it's about performance. On balance McBean is performing better than Vickery this year.rosy23 said:
People made the case about Griffiths because over the past dozen games or so, McBean had greater output.
All 3 players are key forwards, it's just whether one plays as FF, CHF or third tall.
You've argued yourself earlier that position at AFL level should be based on performance this year, not on last year's performance, so McBean's efforts last year don't count. OK, that's a valid and reasonable argument to make. But comparing Vickery's efforts this year with McBean's shows the who the better performer is.
15 goals in 9 games is hardly anything to write home about for a full forward, including being goalless the past 2 weeks. Very poor form.
It's not about bringing others down. It's about comparing those on your list who are most in form. At least, last time I was involved in a match committee that was the case.
If he doesn't get picked against the Esserdon Easybeats, despite Vickery's shocking form, then I can't see him playing another senior game for us.
As much as so many, including myself, would like to see McBean selected against Essendon I just think Hardwick will persevere with Vickery.
McBean just doesn't seem to be on the selection committee's radar.
McBean just doesn't seem to be on the selection committee's radar.
Dear selection committee,Bullarto Tiger said:
Please, for the love of god, select Liam Mcbean to play this week.
i'm not sure if PRE can handle his non selection any longer, we need definitive proof of his divinity or spudness.
Cheers, (insert PRE handle here)
thejinx said:
and Vickery. only 35 people in the country have kicked more goals in the AFL than TV this year.
Gazmatron said:
and only 37 people have taken more contested marks in the AFL than TV.
he is in the top 0.0000015% in Australia, yet people want him dropped?
Why would anyone be surprised? It took hardwick 3 years to give Lloyd a proper go and he thought Thomas was better than Miles. He plays chaplin and morris in the forward line ffs. Hardwick has little idea about recognising a decent footballer. Other than early picks and Blairs retreads he doesn't give players a decent go.
Is anyone surprised the reason why Beanie is not considered for AFL promotion is he is just not good enough even by our comparative low standards
Harry said:
You have cited some irrefutable facts there. Dusty off half back was not the right move either, called by plenty on here as it happened.
People on here were spruiking Miles for an eternity.
Then again there was Webberley. And many usef to spruik Astbury, and thought Jacko was useless.
DH gets it wrong more often then you would like though.
rosy23 said:
I didnt say it was, i answered your point regarding mcbean that i have seen him play and to further that i compared him to Ty as being part of this whole equation, dimma will not play more than 3 talls in the fwd line, jack is jack, Griffiths finding good form and then we have Ty doing sfa and retains his spot where all the things that are asked of Liam to do in the ressies we have Ty in he seniors who doesn't do them at all "double standards i say" hence why a comparison of tall forwards was needed and i strongly believe that mcbean should come in at Ty's expense...And i will also add if Ty was doing very well and Ben was playing poorly then i would be saying Ben out, McBean in as the 3rd tall....
