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Liam McBean
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Justin Plapp and Aron James were fully spruiked by all the Tiger supporters back in the day and starred in the forward line at Vfl Level for the tigers but could never cut the mustard in the big league, if Beano really wanted it, he would take a game by the scruff of the neck and destroy the opposition and he hasn't done that yet, admittedly he is surrounded by duds and very poor delivery most of the time but he's not even near near getting a jig on the jack and richo show
The_General said:
It's futile to compare VFL and AFL form in my opinion. Very different levels of intensity and opportunity. Plenty of players have dominated VFL but struggled at AFL level. I'm not Ty's biggest fan and I'd like to see Liam given a go but reading reports about both players, and looking at their stats, they are quite similar. One is at a much higher level though. I don't see any substance behind the thought that Liam would be an upgrade on Ty at AFL level when he isn't dominating the stats sheet at VFL level. It would be better if Liam made a case by doing the things requested of him on a regular basis than focusing on Ty.
rosy23 said:
McBean is a smart forward who can read the play and find space. He will be rewarded more often for this at AFL level than he would at VFL level.
rosy23 said:
Rosy, you almost finally got it. But you could not resist throwing in a crap line at the end.
Those suggesting Beanie to be given a go acknowledge the difference, and the ONLY way of determining whether he has
any value on our list going forward is to see what he can do at the top level. Playing with our top line players at the highest
level. Playing Vickery at the moment is being one man down, hence why he has spent a lot of time on the bench. Most
here consider the Tiges a pretty good team, yet he's been plain rubbish. Give the kid a fair run and go, see what he can
do for the team, because at the moment, a witches hat can apply more defensive pressure and a contest, than Vickery.
Then we'll come to the real test of the Tige's FD. Providing a genuine and fair assessment of both in that period. IMO the
so called VFL reports, when Vickery played in the VFL last year, these assessments were wrong. My son and I went along
to see a half in one of those games, the assessment was so far of the mark, it was blatant lie.
UntamedTiger said:
Have you seen most of Liams games this season. One thing that's clear to me is those who have been reporting on the VFL board are pretty much in sync with the coaches reports. It's easy to say he doesn't get much opportunity but it's how he makes the best of the opportunities and creates his own that will make a difference.
rosy23 said:
Rosy, only the one, the last one before the Swans game. Not sure of his stats, but he did kick 4. Our VFL team is pretty poor, as
virtually most posters have mentioned. What my son and I witnessed, was two teams that would struggle to win in the EDFL. If
you watch a game or two at this level, I am sure you will appreciate the 'Richmond way' and understand the issues we have at the
club. We saw on numerous times, Beanie leading to a clear space down the middle, and I mean clear space, only to be ignored and
the ball directed into the pockets. Also, the kicking skills of those in that team were poor(being polite). It happened so often, my
son who can play a bit, was shaking his head in disbelief. So poor, was the standard, we left for the G soon after 3/4 time.
I am not sure what is happening at Punt Road. What I do know, McBean is still pretty young, confidence and spirit when young is fragile
and he may be showing symptoms of his frustration. I have seen it first hand with my son and some of his mates, who can all play a bit.
When they have a coach who is consistent and fair, they fly. Conversely, when they have coach who is inconsistent, selection not based
on merit(plays his favourites and of whose son they are), they remain grounded.
In other words, not a level playing field. Sound a little familiar?
There has been many opportunities missed in the forward line over the past two games because Short was just too short in a one on one marking contest.
I would bring in McBean for Short.
McBean is agile enough to provide forward pressure and gives a much better contested marking option that Short.
I would bring in McBean for Short.
McBean is agile enough to provide forward pressure and gives a much better contested marking option that Short.
rosy23 said:
You've missed the point Rosy. Ty isn't performing at AFL level. He shouldn't keep his job because we're not sure if the guy below him can do better or not. He has midfielders like Cotchin, Martin, Miles, Deledio etc kicking the ball to him, when he decides to play in front and lead. When he decides to reach and try to take a mark, or when he wants to try contest. This isn't that often. He doesn't deserve to stay at the AFL level. He needs to return to the VFL to find form. When Ty has been "up" this year he has performed to an "average" level at best (3 goals).
McBean does not have a Rolls Royce set up in the midfield. Quite frequently the team mates he's playing with, he's never seen on field before. They are park footballers. In the games where these guys have managed to beat their opposition, he has done well. The stats we aren't seeing, which is why just going by stats is fairly pointless for VFL level, is how many times he's won a contest. How many times he was the target of a kick into 50. The club would have these stats, at least at AFL level for Vickery. They won't look good.
McBean should at least be afforded the same level of opportunity at AFL level as Ty, Chaplin and Hampson have been presented with. Ty has done very little this year to earn his spot in the ones. McBean has presented his case a few times, albeit inconsistently. However, given Vickery is out of form in the past 3 or so games and Liam is displaying some form, they should be swapped around.
At the very worst, we find out against a weak opposition that Liam is not ready, and we change them back, assuming Ty has earned a recall. There's nothing to say that Ty won't produce worse results than McBean at VFL level.
The way Hardwick and the RFC side operate currently, you can do the barest of minimum work to keep a spot in the AFL team. you need to border on the levels of incompetence (Hunt earlier this year) to get dropped. I also refer to Chaplin who has done nothing at AFL level ever to earn a spot in a forward line. Neither has Hampson\Maric, who are ruckmen. They did not have to perform as a key forward in our VFL side to "earn" a promotion to the AFL level as forwards.
I'm surprised you don't see the inequities and ask the same questions.
Perfect opportunity for Liam to get a run. What will most likely occur is that he'll play at the top level and be found out as a list clogger. In that case we can get rid of him and stop wasting our time on this thread. We are never gonna know if we keep playing him in the 2s and accept poor performances from Ty.The_General said:
The_General said:
Of course there are inequities. That's why I don't agree with you reckoning Liams form is better than Tys when one is VFL and the other AFL. I have no issue with Ty being dropped. I don't reckon Liam is an automatic replacement though. Reading the Vfl reports Liam could do lot better. Whether he is our best option for a call up or not is something I don't profess to know. Going on form replacing Ty with Liam is more like shuffling deck chairs. If Liam isn't selected this week after a better game I hope he has a run of good games and does the things asked if him. When he gets his chance I'd love him to be ready to cement a spot.
rosy23 said:
He's kicked a bag of 5, and a bag of 4 this year in only 6 games.
Most goals Griffiths has kicked in the VFL this year is 2. Vickery has kicked 4 goals in the VFL once ever.
If Griffiths and Vickery showed all the offball stuff that is no doubt being asked of McBean then I would completely understand the rationale of the selection committee - but they are as useless without the ball than with it!
I really don't see the negative side to playing McBean and seeing what he's got. Whats the worst that can happen? He plays as bad as Vickery and Griffiths?
rosy23 said:
His form is good enough. Anyone's form is good enough to take the place of Vickery who has been absolutely appalling this year. An embarrassment to the Tiger jumper. McBean simply has to be given a go. He will benefit from better supply and we need to find out whether he can make the grade or not. No point clogging up our list with guys who aren't going to be given a chance to prove themselves.
Agree, needs to play this week. The alternative is Vickery has another bludge game and gets dropped and someone has to come in against the Kangas. Vickery was statistically the worst player on the ground last week, which is an indictment considering we had a comfortable victory.
